EV Digest 6143
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Rechargable alkalines?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) 8V to 12V conversion? Battery inside after bandsaw.
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Eliminate Reversing Contactors
by "Edward Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Eliminate Reversing Contactors
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Patent revocation for public good
by Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: C02 per mile
by Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: C02 per mile
by Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
by Storm Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Patent revocation for public good
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14) Re: Eliminate Reversing Contactors
by "Edward Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
by Storm Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Fox News at Chip's House This Monday
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Suspension/Spring Supplier
by "martin emde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Patent revocation for public good
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Patent revocation for public good
by Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Suspension/Spring Supplier
by Storm Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Eliminate Reversing Contactors
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Suspension/Spring Supplier
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am a cheapskate enough to have an AA battery holder
hooked to my lab power supply and drop in a non-rechargeable (cough)
battery to give it 100mA 1.5V for a few hours, then let it run the
clock (where it came from) for another half year.
My motivation is mainly to reduce the amount of waste.
When I run out of batteries (due to me not buying one-way
batteries - most are rechargeable type anyway) then I
may grab a few Alkalines from the battery waste box
at work to recycle by careful recharging.
No EV-size application though ;-)
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Fowler
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Rechargable alkalines?
Hi GW,
I have a charger that will recharge standard alkaline AA cells.
(Rezap battery doctor)
http://www.rezap.com.au/rezapbd1.htm
Anyway, alkaline batteries do not recharge particularly well.
The site claims you can recharge them up to 15 times (compared to 1000
for proper rechargeables) but that is only if you don't let them fully
discharge in the first place.
How would this work in an EV context?
It wouldn't.
I don't think anyone wants to replace their battery pack after 15
charges.
Alk batts hold charge longer, provide less current, voltage sags more
under load, can't be quickly recharged when compared to rechargeable
chemistries.
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GWMobile
> Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 3:33 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Rechargable alkalines?
>
>
> There are home consumer bsttery rechargers out there that
> through strong
> oversight of voltages etc can actually recharge non rechargeable
> batteries for electronic devices.
> What is the potential for using such chargers in souped up
> form for an
> electric car using alkaline batteries? What are the tradeoffs?
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I received some pictures of battery internals from my
battery supplier.
(Universal Power Group, selling the Universal Batteries)
This can help people who want to convert an 8V (Ford Ranger EV)
to 12V and want to use Lee's recommendation to tap a screw
into the inter-connect between cells to hook the BMS up
to blocks of 8V (the main drive current still goes through
the normal battery interconnects, this just allows the BMS
to still work and balance blocks of 4 cells!)
Warning:
if you do this, make sure you re-seal around the screws,
as you could cause a path for electrolyte to leak out.
It should not, but better safe then sorry.
Also, use short screws and use caution when drilling in
a battery - if you do not prevent the drill from entering
the battery, you could cause a short circuit.
(a drill press is a good idea)
Last warning: if you love nice and shiny batteries then
don't follow the link - the pictures are 'gross' in that
they used a band saw to decapitate the battery to see the
internals: interconnects, plates and glass mats.
Then they used the band saw again to slice off the
interconnects, so you can see how the plates attach
from the bottom of the interconnects.
You were warned ;-)
http://www.geocities.com/cor_van_de_water/Universal_Battery/
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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The diesels were all 4 speed in that era as far as I know. The ratios are
better for electric too. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
> I might have use for it. Four speed or Five? And what do you want for it?
>
> Regards, Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Storm Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List EV" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:57 AM
> Subject: VW Rabbit Transmission
>
>
> >I have an 80's era transmission from a diesel Rabbit. I'm told they fit
> >regular Rabbit, just lower ratios. Anybody have use for it?
> > storm
> > Barkhamsted, CT
> >
> >
>
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I just got an idea of eliminating the reversing contactors. Or, more
accurately reducing the number from 4 to 1. I am using the Sparrow as
an example of an EV without a transmission.
What if we use the large traction motor for driving forward only?
And, we use a small permanent magnet motor (like those used on
treadmills) for reverse. Now, what if these 2 motors are wired in
series and a contactor wired to short out the smaller motor?
So, when the contactor is closed, only the large motor is in the
circuit driving the car forward. And, when the contactor is off, the
impedance of the smaller motor is much higher than the larger one.
So, the large motor would look much like a short and the car is
effectively in reverse. Of course, to get a higher torque from the
small motor, you have to use a much higher gear ratio. It is okay
since you would not be driving fast in reverse anyway. This would
even help to limit the speed in reverse.
To prevent the smaller motor from locking up when the contactor is
closed and shorting it out. A diode is used in series with it. When
the car is driving forward, the smaller motor would be turning
backward (because it is used to drive the car in reverse). So, no
current would flow thru the diode. Or, we could simply use a electric
clutch to decouple it from the drive train.
If this works, we might be able to come out with a clever way to use
the permanent magnet motor to do some regen.
Did I miss something?
--
Edward Ang
President
AIR Lab Corp
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At 11:30 AM 11/17/2006, Edward Ang wrote:
If this works, we might be able to come out with a clever way to use
the permanent magnet motor to do some regen.
Did I miss something?
Well, since the small motor has a much bigger gear ratio, when
running in Forward it would probably over-rev.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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On 17 Nov 2006 at 11:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This last August, I purchased six Exide 8 volters ...
I'll be curious to hear how they hold up for you. Many years ago I was
sorely disappointed in some Exide 6v golf car batteries. I haven't bought a
battery wearing that badge again since.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 17 Nov 2006 at 7:54, Electro Automotive wrote:
> >should i buy
> >a replacement from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are
> >excluded from answering this one.lol mike y
>
> Sorry, I have to check in here. I can sell you a charger, but not a
> Solectria/Azure Dynamics charger. Those are no longer availablE.
The closest replacement for your Solectria BC3300 (Brusa NLG4) will probably
be a Brusa NLG5 range charger from Metric Mind. Most likely your car will
use an NLG511-TA. I believe Victor stocks these or can get them quickly,
but I'll let him address that matter.
http://www.metricmind.com/charger.htm
Victor's price list says $3,338 for this charger. They're far from cheap!
However, they're fine quality, highly efficient, Swiss made devices, sort of
the Lotus of the EV charger world. They're controlled by a fairly
sophisticated microprocessor, with a dizzing array of parameters. You can
either use a canned charge profile from MM or Brusa, or (if you're brave)
configure the charge controller as you wish. Unlike most micro controlled
chargers, which can only be set up by a dealer or the factory, every setting
is user-accessible with their software and a PC.
No, this is not an ad! I have the earlier version of this charger
(equivalent to your old one) and really like the flexibility and
programmability.
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I have changed the namer of this thread because I really wanted to stick
to the idea that patents should be revocable if used for technology
suppression.
I don't want to talk about politics or political parties.
What do people think about the idea that patent law should be modified
so that patents can not only be revoked if issued in error or if prior
invetion was proved but also if the patent is beingused by a competitive
player soley to ensure the technology is NOT developed or deployed.
GWMobile wrote:
Remember that the idea of a patent, which is a government protected
monopoly and restriction of everyone else's right to make anything they
want, is based on the founding fathers desire for patents to BE GOOD FOR
THE PUBLIC GOOD.
Patents are a unique exemption to the laws against monopoly.
Patents were intended to ensure DEVELOPEMENT and DEPLOYMENT not
suppression of technology.
Therefore it is absolutely Amercian as apple pie to ensure that when
patents are used for suppression rather than deployment of technology
for the public good - those patents can and should morally be revoked.
Remember a patent is the restriction on the freedoms of OTHERS not the
patent holders.
The restrictions on everyone other than the patent holder's' freedom to
make whatever they want (a patent) is not a natural state of affairs
and is restricted ONLY under the very narrow goals of the public good.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:28 am, David Dymaxion wrote:
If stuff like government seizure of intellectual property (IP) and
giving it away worked, then Russia, China, and North Korea should be
tree hugger paradises. Also, prosecute for what? It's not illegal to
not produce something. Should drug companies that decide to not do
stem cell research also be prosecuted? Companies that elect to not
produce products for the military? You could argue those are "greater
good" things that lead to people's deaths if not done.
Remember, the best way to keep something around forever is to tax it.
Taxing something you want to get rid of creates an inherent
conflict-of-interest. Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? The
more tax government gets from gasoline, the more addicted to gas it
becomes, and the harder it will work to maintain that revenue stream.
What you need to do is take the tax off of gasoline, and then
government would objectively consider gasoline's role in society. Put
this tax on electricity instead, and you'll see a huge surge of
government interest in promoting electric cars. Indeed, a graduated
tax on electricity, the more you use the more you pay, would make
government want electric cars even more. You could even graduate it
terms of both Amp*hours and Amps -- so fast recharges generate more
tax revenue, encouraging the development of quick recharge
technologies and recharge stations.
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http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=17169&ch=energy
Friday, July 14, 2006
How To Build a Solar Generator
Affordable solar power using auto parts could make this electricity
source far more available.
Lock Hughes wrote:
Any links please GW? I'm interested in "complete solutions" aka
packaged products? Not too large scale? Home-sized, as you say?
tks
Lock
Toronto
Human/Electric Hybrid Pedestrian
--- GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If electric cars are going to be home charged there is no need to
assume
either utlity charges or solar silcion manufacturing emmissions.
Solar cooker hot oil powering standard alternators on a roof
installation can easily power a house and charge a car at less
expense and no emissions.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:52 am, Danny Miller wrote:
To be fair the case for the EV would also need to take into account
all
the energy spent bringing the electricity to you. That might be:
natural gas exploration
coal mining equipment
truck fuel for moving coal
If solar cells, the energy spent refining the silicon and making
the devices etc.
Danny
Carl Clifford wrote:
I seem to remember somebody mentioning a good analysis of this on
the web somewhere - anybody remember where?
The bottom line is that these numbers need to be
well-to-wheels,
not smokestack numbers. Does the IC Car number use the tailpipe
or is
it additive for the cost to drill, pump, ship, refine, and truck
the
fuel? Is the coal smokestack number for an old plant, a new
plant, or
a weighted average? I would love to see a complete end-to-end
analysis where we hash out all of the assumptions and include
everything we can reasonably quantify. We could even take a swing
at
the following which I would guess could change the numbers
significantly:
-oil exploration
-building and maintaining drilling rigs
-building, inspecting, and mainting tankers
-building and maintaining pipelines and storage
-building and maintaining refineries
-building and maintaining ports to receive tankers
-building and maintaining gas stations
-building and maintaining tanker trucks and other delivery
-building and maintaining emmissions testing centers
-securing all of the above
-and of course the big one that we could never agree on - the
energy
we expend
for "stability in the region"
Too political I suppose, but it would be nice to have a very
complete resource to point out as many objective numbers as
possible
when we hear this argument.
"A electric car charging from a coal powered grid ( 2.177 lbs
C02/kwh)
would generate twice the C02 per mile over a new low emissions
IC car.
If you lived in a nuclear or wind / hydro generated area a grid
charged
EV car would generate 10 times less C02 per mile then in a coal
powered
area and 1/5 the C02 of a IC vehicle."
"These high C02 numbers for a EV were a complete surprise to
me.
Carl Clifford
Denver
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Friday, July 14, 2006
How To Build a Solar Generator
Affordable solar power using auto parts could make this electricity
source far more available.
relavant exceprts : (more in full article on the page)
The basic design of Orosz's solar generator system is simple: a
parabolic trough (taking up 15 square meters in this case) focuses light
on a pipe containing motor oil. The oil circulates through a heat
exchanger, turning a refrigerant into steam, which drives a turbine
that, in turn, drives a generator.
The refrigerant is then cooled in two stages. The first stage recovers
heat to make hot water or, in one design, to power an absorption process
chiller, like the propane-powered refrigerators in RVs. The
solar-generated heat would replace or augment the propane flame used in
these devices. The second stage cools the refrigerant further, which
improves the efficiency of the system, Orosz says. This stage will
probably use cool groundwater pumped to the surface using power from the
generator. The water can then be stored in a reservoir for drinking water.
The design uses readily available parts and tools. For example, both the
feed pump and steam turbine are actually power-steering pumps used in
cars and trucks. To generate electricity, the team uses an alternator,
which is not as efficient as an ordinary generator, but comes already
designed to charge a battery, which reduces some of the complexity of
the system. And, like power-steering pumps, alternators, including
less-expensive reconditioned ones, are easy to come by.
As a result, the complete system for generating one kilowatt of
electricity and 10 kilowatts of heat, including a battery for storing
the power generated, can be built for a couple thousand dollars, Orosz
says, which is less than half the cost of one kilowatt of photovoltaic
panels.
"You can't afford something that's designed for solar. You have to buy
something that's mass-produced for something else -- that way the cost
is reasonable," says Duane Johnson, owner of Red Rock Energy, in White
Bear Lake, MN, who developed and sells thousands of the inexpensive
LED-based sun-tracking devices Orosz uses to orient the solar
concentrators. Most of the devices are used to position photovoltaic
panels, he says, but some people are using them with old satellite
dishes to concentrate heat and make steam. Sales of his devices have
been growing 25 percent a year, a rate similar to that of the solar
photovoltaics industry.
Lock Hughes wrote:
Any links please GW? I'm interested in "complete solutions" aka
packaged products? Not too large scale? Home-sized, as you say?
tks
Lock
Toronto
Human/Electric Hybrid Pedestrian
--- GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If electric cars are going to be home charged there is no need to
assume
either utlity charges or solar silcion manufacturing emmissions.
Solar cooker hot oil powering standard alternators on a roof
installation can easily power a house and charge a car at less
expense and no emissions.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:52 am, Danny Miller wrote:
To be fair the case for the EV would also need to take into account
all
the energy spent bringing the electricity to you. That might be:
natural gas exploration
coal mining equipment
truck fuel for moving coal
If solar cells, the energy spent refining the silicon and making
the devices etc.
Danny
Carl Clifford wrote:
I seem to remember somebody mentioning a good analysis of this on
the web somewhere - anybody remember where?
The bottom line is that these numbers need to be
well-to-wheels,
not smokestack numbers. Does the IC Car number use the tailpipe
or is
it additive for the cost to drill, pump, ship, refine, and truck
the
fuel? Is the coal smokestack number for an old plant, a new
plant, or
a weighted average? I would love to see a complete end-to-end
analysis where we hash out all of the assumptions and include
everything we can reasonably quantify. We could even take a swing
at
the following which I would guess could change the numbers
significantly:
-oil exploration
-building and maintaining drilling rigs
-building, inspecting, and mainting tankers
-building and maintaining pipelines and storage
-building and maintaining refineries
-building and maintaining ports to receive tankers
-building and maintaining gas stations
-building and maintaining tanker trucks and other delivery
-building and maintaining emmissions testing centers
-securing all of the above
-and of course the big one that we could never agree on - the
energy
we expend
for "stability in the region"
Too political I suppose, but it would be nice to have a very
complete resource to point out as many objective numbers as
possible
when we hear this argument.
"A electric car charging from a coal powered grid ( 2.177 lbs
C02/kwh)
would generate twice the C02 per mile over a new low emissions
IC car.
If you lived in a nuclear or wind / hydro generated area a grid
charged
EV car would generate 10 times less C02 per mile then in a coal
powered
area and 1/5 the C02 of a IC vehicle."
"These high C02 numbers for a EV were a complete surprise to
me.
Carl Clifford
Denver
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In a message dated 11/17/2006 12:58:14 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This last August, I purchased six Exide 8 volters ...
I'll be curious to hear how they hold up for you. Many years ago I was
sorely disappointed in some Exide 6v golf car batteries. I haven't bought a
battery wearing that badge again since.>>>>
I'll keep the List posted. They are driving an 11HP aftermarket golf cart
motor on my trike that I use every nice day here in Colorado Springs and plug
in each night that it was ridden. Now that I've added an amp meter, I can
say they deliver close to 200 amps when really accellerating from a stop (I
like to beat the ICE cars across the intersections) and 50 to 75 amps when
cruising. I've only dropped them to 75% DoD once to get a handle on what the
range might be - looks like about 35 miles. My average day runs between 15
and
20 miles.
So far, my only gripe is a tiny bit of acid leakage from the "quick-check"
four-in-one battery cap arrangement when I've really been bouncing around on
rough roads.
Matt Parkhouse
Colorado Springs, CO
BMW m/c-Golf Cart trike - 48 volts, 30mph on the flat, 35 mile range
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Anyone who wants it can have it. I'm too busy to ebay it. Don't remember any
details about it.
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From: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36:53 PM
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
The diesels were all 4 speed in that era as far as I know. The ratios are
better for electric too. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
> I might have use for it. Four speed or Five? And what do you want for it?
>
> Regards, Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Storm Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List EV" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:57 AM
> Subject: VW Rabbit Transmission
>
>
> >I have an 80's era transmission from a diesel Rabbit. I'm told they fit
> >regular Rabbit, just lower ratios. Anybody have use for it?
> > storm
> > Barkhamsted, CT
> >
> >
>
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I agree patents should be used to protect the investment need to develop the
patented item not use to for technology suppression.
Getting this to happen would be a very difficult in real life though. Using
an example you can get rights to a mining claim on public lands with actually
very little money or effort. It would be hard to say someone is not doing
enough to have that claim.
I think the same thing would be applied to patents and as an example if you
go to the Ovonics web site they make a good case they are making use of the
NiMH battery as they see it. If you disagree with the focus of hybrid vehicles
it would take the US government to step in for the good of the nation. I
don't see this ever happening regardless of what party or president. Not to
make
a political statement but there is too much special interest money involved
for this event to happen.
Unless the country was in a real energy shortage and we really were
incurring a national crisis. I know many of you believe this is the case as
well as I
do. However there is not going to be enough people backing what most people
on this list think we should be doing now.
There are so many reasons to be driving using a different fuel than oil. It
is disappointing it is being ignored for only one reason money. Big money for
a few corporations as well as federal and state government. Things that are
bad for you can be overlooked if the government gets its share. States that
did not allow gambling now have the government advertising it to keep sales
up.
This is not a political statement just a reality check.
Don Blazer
In a message dated 11/17/2006 12:11:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have changed the namer of this thread because I really wanted to stick
to the idea that patents should be revocable if used for technology
suppression.
I don't want to talk about politics or political parties.
What do people think about the idea that patent law should be modified
so that patents can not only be revoked if issued in error or if prior
invetion was proved but also if the patent is beingused by a competitive
player soley to ensure the technology is NOT developed or deployed.
GWMobile wrote:
> Remember that the idea of a patent, which is a government protected
> monopoly and restriction of everyone else's right to make anything they
> want, is based on the founding fathers desire for patents to BE GOOD FOR
> THE PUBLIC GOOD.
>
> Patents are a unique exemption to the laws against monopoly.
>
> Patents were intended to ensure DEVELOPEMENT and DEPLOYMENT not
> suppression of technology.
>
> Therefore it is absolutely Amercian as apple pie to ensure that when
> patents are used for suppression rather than deployment of technology
> for the public good - those patents can and should morally be revoked.
>
> Remember a patent is the restriction on the freedoms of OTHERS not the
> patent holders.
>
> The restrictions on everyone other than the patent holder's' freedom to
> make whatever they want (a patent) is not a natural state of affairs
> and is restricted ONLY under the very narrow goals of the public good.
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:28 am, David Dymaxion wrote:
>> If stuff like government seizure of intellectual property (IP) and
>> giving it away worked, then Russia, China, and North Korea should be
>> tree hugger paradises. Also, prosecute for what? It's not illegal to
>> not produce something. Should drug companies that decide to not do
>> stem cell research also be prosecuted? Companies that elect to not
>> produce products for the military? You could argue those are "greater
>> good" things that lead to people's deaths if not done.
>>
>> Remember, the best way to keep something around forever is to tax it.
>> Taxing something you want to get rid of creates an inherent
>> conflict-of-interest. Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? The
>> more tax government gets from gasoline, the more addicted to gas it
>> becomes, and the harder it will work to maintain that revenue stream.
>> What you need to do is take the tax off of gasoline, and then
>> government would objectively consider gasoline's role in society. Put
>> this tax on electricity instead, and you'll see a huge surge of
>> government interest in promoting electric cars. Indeed, a graduated
>> tax on electricity, the more you use the more you pay, would make
>> government want electric cars even more. You could even graduate it
>> terms of both Amp*hours and Amps -- so fast recharges generate more
>> tax revenue, encouraging the development of quick recharge
>> technologies and recharge stations.
>>
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Then, like I mentioned, a electric clutch might be used to decouple
the small motor when driving forward. Or use 2 small motors in
parallel and a smaller gear ratio.
On 11/17/06, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 11:30 AM 11/17/2006, Edward Ang wrote:
>If this works, we might be able to come out with a clever way to use
>the permanent magnet motor to do some regen.
>
>Did I miss something?
Well, since the small motor has a much bigger gear ratio, when
running in Forward it would probably over-rev.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
--
Edward Ang
President
AIR Lab Corp
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I can sweeten the pot! Found the flywheel/clutch assy, a driveshaft/CV joint,
and a diesel fuel distributor (which probably has a proper name).
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From: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:36:53 PM
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
The diesels were all 4 speed in that era as far as I know. The ratios are
better for electric too. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
> I might have use for it. Four speed or Five? And what do you want for it?
>
> Regards, Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Storm Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List EV" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:57 AM
> Subject: VW Rabbit Transmission
>
>
> >I have an 80's era transmission from a diesel Rabbit. I'm told they fit
> >regular Rabbit, just lower ratios. Anybody have use for it?
> > storm
> > Barkhamsted, CT
> >
> >
>
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Hey all,
If you are anywhere near DC bring your EV over for an interview with
DC's Fox Five News.
They will be here Monday morning at 10:00 am.
Here's my address
Chip Gribben
5809 Holger Court
Laurel, Maryland 20707
240-687-1678
They contacted me yesterday about doing something on EVs. I'll have
my 144 volt Ford Escort here and they are interested is some of the
other EV toys I have in the garage but it would be nice to have some
other EVs here for them to see.
Chip
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Hi,
Does anyone know of a company/supplier for enhanced performance (stiffer)
springs. I remember seeing a name on the list a few months back. I'm
converting a 1988 Toyota Corola. You can email me off list.
Thanks.
Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let's see some of that government "eminent domain" go to good use...
Danny
Geopilot wrote:
I have changed the namer of this thread because I really wanted to
stick to the idea that patents should be revocable if used for
technology suppression.
I don't want to talk about politics or political parties.
What do people think about the idea that patent law should be modified
so that patents can not only be revoked if issued in error or if prior
invetion was proved but also if the patent is beingused by a
competitive player soley to ensure the technology is NOT developed or
deployed.
GWMobile wrote:
Remember that the idea of a patent, which is a government protected
monopoly and restriction of everyone else's right to make anything
they want, is based on the founding fathers desire for patents to BE
GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.
Patents are a unique exemption to the laws against monopoly.
Patents were intended to ensure DEVELOPEMENT and DEPLOYMENT not
suppression of technology.
Therefore it is absolutely Amercian as apple pie to ensure that when
patents are used for suppression rather than deployment of technology
for the public good - those patents can and should morally be revoked.
Remember a patent is the restriction on the freedoms of OTHERS not
the patent holders.
The restrictions on everyone other than the patent holder's' freedom
to make whatever they want (a patent) is not a natural state of
affairs and is restricted ONLY under the very narrow goals of the
public good.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:28 am, David Dymaxion wrote:
If stuff like government seizure of intellectual property (IP) and
giving it away worked, then Russia, China, and North Korea should be
tree hugger paradises. Also, prosecute for what? It's not illegal to
not produce something. Should drug companies that decide to not do
stem cell research also be prosecuted? Companies that elect to not
produce products for the military? You could argue those are
"greater good" things that lead to people's deaths if not done.
Remember, the best way to keep something around forever is to tax
it. Taxing something you want to get rid of creates an inherent
conflict-of-interest. Why do you think cigarettes are still legal?
The more tax government gets from gasoline, the more addicted to gas
it becomes, and the harder it will work to maintain that revenue
stream. What you need to do is take the tax off of gasoline, and
then government would objectively consider gasoline's role in
society. Put this tax on electricity instead, and you'll see a huge
surge of government interest in promoting electric cars. Indeed, a
graduated tax on electricity, the more you use the more you pay,
would make government want electric cars even more. You could even
graduate it terms of both Amp*hours and Amps -- so fast recharges
generate more tax revenue, encouraging the development of quick
recharge technologies and recharge stations.
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I totally agree. Patents for amazing things have been bought up by
big business for ever to stop the production of products that would
hurt their profit. These products very often would save time, money,
and the environment.
I have noticed that the business model now seems to be: Make cheap or
disposable products that will have to be repaired or replaced, that
way we will never run out of customers.
The EV 1 was not profitable enough for GM, electric cars are so
simple, they do not have to be constantly repaired and tuned.
Then they got scared that public demand would grow, so they crushed it.
I am afraid that their is really nothing we can do about it at the
moment. America is run by big business, not the people.
-Tehben
On Nov 17, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Geopilot wrote:
I have changed the namer of this thread because I really wanted to
stick to the idea that patents should be revocable if used for
technology suppression.
I don't want to talk about politics or political parties.
What do people think about the idea that patent law should be
modified so that patents can not only be revoked if issued in error
or if prior invetion was proved but also if the patent is beingused
by a competitive player soley to ensure the technology is NOT
developed or deployed.
GWMobile wrote:
Remember that the idea of a patent, which is a government
protected monopoly and restriction of everyone else's right to
make anything they want, is based on the founding fathers desire
for patents to BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.
Patents are a unique exemption to the laws against monopoly.
Patents were intended to ensure DEVELOPEMENT and DEPLOYMENT not
suppression of technology.
Therefore it is absolutely Amercian as apple pie to ensure that
when patents are used for suppression rather than deployment of
technology for the public good - those patents can and should
morally be revoked.
Remember a patent is the restriction on the freedoms of OTHERS not
the patent holders.
The restrictions on everyone other than the patent holder's'
freedom to make whatever they want (a patent) is not a natural
state of affairs and is restricted ONLY under the very narrow
goals of the public good.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:28 am, David Dymaxion wrote:
If stuff like government seizure of intellectual property (IP)
and giving it away worked, then Russia, China, and North Korea
should be tree hugger paradises. Also, prosecute for what? It's
not illegal to not produce something. Should drug companies that
decide to not do stem cell research also be prosecuted? Companies
that elect to not produce products for the military? You could
argue those are "greater good" things that lead to people's
deaths if not done.
Remember, the best way to keep something around forever is to tax
it. Taxing something you want to get rid of creates an inherent
conflict-of-interest. Why do you think cigarettes are still
legal? The more tax government gets from gasoline, the more
addicted to gas it becomes, and the harder it will work to
maintain that revenue stream. What you need to do is take the tax
off of gasoline, and then government would objectively consider
gasoline's role in society. Put this tax on electricity instead,
and you'll see a huge surge of government interest in promoting
electric cars. Indeed, a graduated tax on electricity, the more
you use the more you pay, would make government want electric
cars even more. You could even graduate it terms of both
Amp*hours and Amps -- so fast recharges generate more tax
revenue, encouraging the development of quick recharge
technologies and recharge stations.
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Most bigger towns have a spring shop. Where are you located?
----- Original Message ----
From: martin emde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:00:40 PM
Subject: Suspension/Spring Supplier
Hi,
Does anyone know of a company/supplier for enhanced performance (stiffer)
springs. I remember seeing a name on the list a few months back. I'm
converting a 1988 Toyota Corola. You can email me off list.
Thanks.
Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You could use a small AC motor, they can run at high rpms, and work
better for regen. But this would be an expensive setup compared to
reversing contactors. A full H-bridge controller would be good,
although also probably expensive, not sure who even has them.
Jack
Edward Ang wrote:
Then, like I mentioned, a electric clutch might be used to decouple
the small motor when driving forward. Or use 2 small motors in
parallel and a smaller gear ratio.
On 11/17/06, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 11:30 AM 11/17/2006, Edward Ang wrote:
>If this works, we might be able to come out with a clever way to use
>the permanent magnet motor to do some regen.
>
>Did I miss something?
Well, since the small motor has a much bigger gear ratio, when
running in Forward it would probably over-rev.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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You might also look at other Toyota models for stiffer springs that will fit
your car.
For example, I needed stiffer rear springs for my Toyota Echo, and found
that the stock rear springs on a Scion xB (made by Toyota) were 40% stiffer
than the Echo's, and were an exact replacement. The dealer didn't know
that - I had to measure one myself.
I bought a set of almost-new xB shocks and springs on Ebay for 20 bucks.
Used springs are cheap, if you can find them.
Also, don't believe it if someone tells you a spring is stiffer because they
use " better" steel. The modulus of ALL steels is the same (within a
percent or two), and no other material ( that are used for springs) is
stiffer.
Phil
From: "martin emde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Suspension/Spring Supplier
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:00:40 -1000
Hi,
Does anyone know of a company/supplier for enhanced performance (stiffer)
springs. I remember seeing a name on the list a few months back. I'm
converting a 1988 Toyota Corola. You can email me off list.
Thanks.
Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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