EV Digest 6244
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Low Rolling Resistance Tires
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Used Batteries WAS Re: [BULK] RE: If I only need a 5 mile range ...
re...
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) The V Refuge has changed Yahoo Group Category
by "George J. Jones, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Wierd list events, was: Re: NmG dealership in Texas! was RE: Zebra
Purchase Warning
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Motor spec, suspected to be a GE
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: How big is this motor?
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Motor Measurements
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: ASCII Woes
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Maximum amps for Anderson 350?
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EVLN(Pune's no-frills rapid recharging stations)
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Plan B for Sepex controller
by thomas ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Anderson connector Current Capabilty
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Wierd list events, was: Re: NmG dealership in Texas! was RE:
Zebra Purchase Warning
by Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) T3 Motion
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: T3 Motion
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: What Santa almost got me
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Wierd list events, was: Re: NmG dealership in Texas! was RE: Zebra
Purchase Warning
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Wierd list events, was: Re: NmG dealership in Texas! was RE:
Zebra Purchase Warning
by Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Wierd list events, was: Re: NmG dealership in Texas! was
RE: Zebra Purchase Warning
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Low Rolling Resistance tire law
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) set EV mail digest
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Solectria Gearbox vs Manual Trans? (newbie)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) Re: T3 Motion
by "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
by dale henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26) Manzanita micro PCF-20 charger
by "Tim Gamber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Proof is how much rolling resistance increases when a tire is
underinflated.
Which of course is why your mileage improves so much if you keep your
tires inflated to the max.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:04 am, Brian M. Sutin wrote:
I have to second Jay Lashlee's comments on low rolling resistance
tires. The contact patch area, treads, and so on are not the
primary drivers of rolling resistance. What is important is the
flexibility of the sidewall. Why? Energy balance -- that's where
the lost energy goes.
The only independent study I know of for low rolling resistance
tires is Green Seal's "Choose Green" report from March 2003. Do a
google search for it. The results are interesting. The tire I
ultimately chose for my EV was a narrower version of the best tire
from that study.
Brian
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Hello David
Your correct I meant at a 5 amp discharge rate. As far as a 1C rate your
lucky to see even a C3 or C5 from most battery manufacturers.
Don
In a message dated 12/24/2006 9:56:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 21 Dec 2006 at 1:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> They say it is a 120 Ah battery but
> they show the 20 hour rate at 5 Ah. This would be a 100 Ah battery at the
C-20
> rate.
I assume you mean "at 5 AMPS," not 5 AH. The latter wouldn't make any
sense.
I've seen some batteries which try to use the C50 or even C100 rate. This
seems to be particularly true of those marketed for PV systems. I suppose
this could be what they're doing.
C20, C50, C100, it hardly matters. None of these is of much use to you as
an EVer. What you should be interested in is the C1 rating. That is - how
many amps can you draw for one hour? Reserve capacity at 75 amps is also
fairly useful for comparison.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Assistant Administrator
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Bro,
I'm not sure that you are right about my mail server. The way I read the header
is that dpmail10.doteasy.com RECIEVED the email on Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:16:45
-0800 FROM metis.sjsu.edu
and that metis.sjsu.edu RECIEVED the email on Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:29:32 -0800
(PST) FROM listproc (hera.sjsu.edu. - this becomes a delay of 3 days that the
sjsu servers kept the email.
Of the 6 different Newsgroups that I belong to, this is the only one where
emails show up consistently with *days* of lag. If it is my server, why does it
happen only with the sjsu emails?
In any case, thinking that it was my end, last week I talked with my mail
server tech support people. They sent several emails to me from several
different isp's, public and private, and they showed that all got thru fine, no
unexpected delay at all.
If you sent me the email directly, my Mailwasher program may have deleted it by
mistake, sorry but it may have considered it spam... try again, I've put your
addie in the friends list. I'm in charge of my email, not my server.
As to the censor comment, you'll notice that I put 's around my word 'censor'
so as to imply that I was taking editorial license with the word.
I also just checked a couple headers from each of the other groups that I
belong to and none of the have anything similar to greylist or the words
"delay". It could be that the greylist function is 'broken' from time to time,
since as you say the program is old. I used to work in tech support at AOL and
the "SpamHammer" as we called the anti spam program was broken a couple times a
week which pissed thousands and thousands of people off because they had to
call in to have their password reset and assure us that they were not spammers.
And it looks like I am back on the greylist... here is the greylist line from
the latest email that I have from myself.
X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:20:22 by milter-greylist-3.0 (apollo.sjsu.edu
[130.65.3.73])
So the greylist is on again, off again... what are its parameters?
The reason that the out of sequence emails are so noticeable to me is that I
have my emails set to show the 'Sent' time as the main organizing field.
Happy New Year!
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
> From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Here is part of one header -
>> Received: from metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with
> ESMTP
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>> Received: from listproc (hera.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.19])
>> by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with SMTP id kBK3TWYa008615;
>> Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:29:32 -0800 (PST)
>> which shows that metis.sjus.edu got the email on Tue, 19 Dec 2006
> 19:29:32 -0800 (PST) and released it on Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:16:45 -0800. It
> kept the email for 3 days.
>
> Rush,
>
> This three day delay was the lis server trying to send email to your email
> server- I tried to send a test email to you and your server didn't answer- i
> sugest that you talk to doteasy.com about that. You only have one mail
> server which means you have no redundancy- if that server is down (as it is
> now) you won't get email. The software that runs this list is quite old and
> in those days the retry cycle was a lot less frequent that it is now. This
> means that if your message doesn't get through the first time you have
> longer to wait, but at the end of the day, this isn't a list problem- it is
> your problem as your mail server isn't available. There are mailing lists
> out there that only ever try once- if you don't get it then, you don't get
> it at all.
>
>
>> Also if you look in the headers you will see that there is line in some of
> the headers
>> - X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:15:11 by milter-greylist-3.0 (hestia.sjsu.edu
> [130.65.3.74]),
>> or it is
>> - X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by
> milter-greylist-3.0
>> so there is a 'censoring' in place.
>
> Greylisting is NOT censoring- it is a time delay based purely on the ip
> address of the sending server- it has nothing to do with content at all.
> Once you have sent a message to the list you are added to the white list-
> here is the line for YOUR last message-
>
> X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by
> milter-greylist-3.0 (hestia.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.74]); Sat, 23 Dec 2006
> 19:24:19 -0800 (PST)
>
> This means that the list server will accept your email without delay. As was
> mentioned earlier, spammers are lazy, typically they won't bother to try
> again. You shouldn't be delayed again unless there are changes in your mail
> setup.
>
> Bro
>
>
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Hey James
5BC49JB704 is a valid GE number. I don't recognize
the 704 type though (at least not at 3:30 AM on
Christmas)lol.
Thats probably either a 24 or 36 volt OEM rated motor
and is a 6.7" frame size motor (which all 5BC48 (and
49)JB motor are). The 49 frame is usually a bit
longer than the 48 frame sized motors. That motor
should have been rated at 5 HP OEM for 1 hour duty.
This will make a nice gokart with umf to spare. I'd
say at 48 volt it'd be like a 7 to 10 HP ICE on a
kart.
Sorry I haven't got back to you on the coils but I was
sick as a dog last week and just now feeling human
again.
Hope this helps
Got to go eat some Santa cookies before the daughter
wakes up lmao!!
BTW I must have been bad... no a123 batts in my
stocking lmao!!
Cya
Jim Husted
--- James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All, especially Jim Husted
>
> I've been hacking about on the GE web site for a
> couple of hours, and given
> up on it.
>
> I have a motor that has a part number stamped on it:
> 5BC48JB704 6-5/8"
> diameter by 9-1/4" long, that if suitable may make
> for a go-cart. (One of
> my techs at work wants to build a go-cart).
>
> The nomber sort-of matches GE numbers, but all the
> 5BC48JB motors seem to
> be 9" or so.
>
> Has anyone got any information on this model?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> [Technik] James
>
>
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Hey Ed
No I wouldn't advise that motor for a car, but a
motorcycle motor it would do okay for. The MSS is a
bit longer than most 6.7" Prestolites for a bit more
mass which is good. The down side is that there is no
drive end bearing inside the motor. You could machine
out the plate for a journal but the shaft will also
need to be welded and machined to make a journal there
also. Replacing the shaft is a better option but not
everyone can do that. The MSS was designed for 36
volt use and would need to be advanced for higher
voltage use like Jeff has posted.
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can I bug a bit more? (I am still a newbie)
>
> Is this motor:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130060394713
>
> Big enough for a small car? Usable on 72 or 96
> volts?
>
> thanks :)
>
>
>
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Brian
The legend will usually read something like : "75 V - .03 I " ( That dash
is a minus sign)
This example means that 75 volts was applied to the motor through a
resistance of 0.03 ohms. The 0.03 ohms is the resistance of the cabling and
terminal resistances between the voltage source and the motor itself. So,
the actual voltage at the motor terminals will be less than 75 volts by a
voltage equal to the motor current times this external resistance.
The voltage drop in the cabling is equal to the motor current times this
resistance or Vdrop = 0,.03 ohms x motor current in amps. This is based on
" E = I x R ".
So, the acual voltage at the motor terminals is equal to the voltage source
minus the cabling/connection drop, or, 75 V - .03 x I.
( They leave out the multiplication sign - as that is understood - and
write "75V -.03I" )
Phil
From: "Brian M. Sutin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: EV List <[email protected]>
Subject: Motor Measurements
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:40:53 -0800
On most electric motor measurement plots, something like "0.03I"
appears. What does that refer to?
Brian
Alfa Romeo Conversion
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What I do for ASCII diagrams is to take a txt file and edit it in there. Or if
someone sends a ASCII schematic I copy it into a new .txt message.
An easy way to bring up a new .txt message, if you are using windows, is to
right clik anywhere on an empty space on the desk top, and in the menu that
pops up, clik on new, then clik on Text Document and a New Text Document.txt is
put on the desktop where your cursor was. Double clik on the file to open it
up. It is already in a fixed width font, so all you have to do is paste the
ASCII diagram into the empty document and the result should be a clearly
defined schematic diagram.
I use .txt documents all the time as a 'notepad' to collect snippets of things
and then save them as a file, such as Tires.txt where a lot of good info is
collected from various emails so to access the info all I have to do is open
the Tires.txt file to access it.
Sounds like your weather is just like ours....
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Tom Gocze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: ASCII Woes
> Merry Christmas,
> I know I am not the brightest bulb on the chain, but am I missing
> something when it comes to reading ASCII art.
> I really appreciate what is posted and want to understand the
> schematics, but I cannot usually make heads nor tails out of it.
> Is there a way to view this other than what comes through on the
> Digest??
>
> Hope everyone has a fine Holiday, what ever you celebrate.
>
> Tom Gocze
> in a snow-less, Globally warmed?? Maine
>
>
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Jeff wrote -
> Steve,
>
> I have used the SB-350 connectors for exchangeable batteries on competition
> vehicles with excellent results. Would see 700 amps very often. Only
> problems were due to mechanical separation and brake fluid. Keep them clean
> and tight. Probably be fine.
>
If there is a problem with the 2 connectors separating because of vibration,
stress, etc, there is locking mechanism that Anderson has. Here is a link to
the Anderson site which shows the lock and clamp.
http://www.andersonpower.com/products/multipole-sb.html
Scroll down to SB350 family, open up the Drawings+ file and chose the 919 SB350
Manual Release Locking Half w/Clamp
KTA has it up at their site, http://www.kta-ev.com/catalog/index.html ANDERSON
#919 350 Amp Double Pole Connector Locking Handle Assy, for $25
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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Here is a link to the manu website http://www.induselectrans.com/
Below is a link to the specs where they say that the range is 75 km, so the 10
minute charge that get 50 km is just a quick charge. Just what we have been
talking about on the list...
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "bruce parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "evlist" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 5:20 AM
Subject: EVLN(Pune's no-frills rapid recharging stations)
> EVLN(Pune's no-frills rapid recharging stations)
> [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> --- {EVangel}
> http://in.news.yahoo.com/061221/48/6ahqj.html
> Rs 5 & 10 minutes to charge electric bikes
> Friday December 22, 03:58 AM
>
> Kiosks, automatic vending facilities to follow ordinary charging
> stations
>
> In a few months time, a five-rupee coin will be all you need to
> charge up if you own an electric bike and have a base in Pune.
> And this one charge will keep the bike running for 50 km - at a
> time when the next best thing are the 'economy bikes' that claim
> around 90 kms a litre of petrol at a cost of Rs 52. In other
> words the e-bikes are offering an economy of scale that makes it
> five-fold cheaper than the conventional bikes.
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Many thanks for your comments Lee, it has encouraged
me to at least get to know my motor and batteries a
little better.
> You need a starting
> resistor in series with the armature to get
> reasonably smooth starts.
If I understand correctly
Iarmature*(Rarmature+Rstarter) + Vbackemf = Vapplied
at zero RPM Vbackemf=0 so
Iarm=Vapplied/(Rarm+Rstarter)
My motor is rated at 100A continuous so I should limit
the current to say 50A, 100A, or 200A or 300A ?
I should measure Rarm by disconnecting the input
cabels from the motor and placing a resistance meter
across the feed terminals.
A suitable size of resistor is found by rearranging
the formula above.
i.e.
Rstart= (Vapplied-Istart*Rarm)/Istart
i.e. if 50V of battery was applied and Rarm was .05
ohms and 50A current limit was chosen a suitable
resistor would be about 1 ohm and power lost in the
resistor would be about 2 and a half KW which is a 2
bar domestic fire, and cool enough for the less than a
second of sarting? I could fit a 27A delayed trip
switch so that if for some reason the car doesn't move
the trip switch will trip before the resistor gets too
hot, if the car does move though then the back emf
voltage will rise sharply and the current will drop.
if 200V was applied a suitable resistor would be about
4 ohms and power lost in the resitor would be 10KW
which will get very hot very quickly, too quickly?
I'm not sure I fully undersand the problem with
excessive regen is it that the commutator may need
skimming more often than normal and brushes will need
replacing more often?
Hope you all have a good Christmass
Tom Ward
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: thomas ward
> > Lee, if you are reading this and have the time to
> answer, was
> > this used in a car? was it successful? how long
> did you use it for?
>
> Yes, I used it on my first EV; a converted 1974
> Datsun pickup truck. I had 72v of golf cart
> batteries, a surplus aircraft generator as a motor,
> and a homemade controller. I drove it from about
> 1977-1980.
>
> These aircraft generators are basically shunt
> motors. Noisy and not particularly efficient; but
> cheap and light and easy to control. Mine was rated
> at 30v 500amps, but I ran it with up to 72v. The
> armature had no problem with 72v, but I had to keep
> the time that the field spent at 72v very short
> (15-20 seconds or less) to avoid burning it out.
>
> >1. applying a constant (sensible) voltage across
> the field and varying the
> > armature voltage with for example a Zilla would
> give behaviour similar
> > to a PM motor.
>
> Correct. It tries to run at a constant speed,
> determined by armature voltage. It behaves like a
> car with the "cruise" control on, fighting to stay
> at the designated speed (maximum power trying to
> maintain speed on any hill, maximum regen trying to
> hold speed going downhill).
>
> >2. applying one or a few fixed voltages through the
> armature and varying
> > the voltage through the field would give a
> usable controller. Presumably
> > if the voltage through the field was varied by
> a variable resistor there
> > would be some minor heat dissipation issues of
> a similar order to a high
> > powered domestic light bulb.
>
> Correct. Again, it behaves like a constant-speed
> motor (though you can set the constant speed with
> the field current). You need a starting resistor in
> series with the armature to get reasonably smooth
> starts.
>
> >3. the setup described in 2. could be achieved with
> two separate battery
> > packs, one large high voltage pack for the
> armature and one smaller
> > lower voltage pack for the field.
>
> Yes. Nothing says that the armature and field need
> to come from the same pack.
>
> >4. I'm not sure whether these controllers would
> give regen (which isn't a
> > big issue to me). If this does not give regen
> then would there be a need
> > for cooling to dissipate heat in armature
> and/or field if the throttle is
> > dropped without applying brakes?
>
> With a shunt or sepex motor, you have to add parts
> to PREVENT regen. It will naturally be there if you
> don't prevent it. With a large generator as a motor,
> the amount of regen is really quite excessive, so
> you have to limit it for safety's sake (to avoid
> skidding the driven tires, or damaging the batteries
> from excessive regen current). With normal motors
> not intended for use as generators, you need to
> limit regen to prevent motor damage from brush
> arcing.
>
> >5. for both 1. and 2./3. reverseing the field
> current would reverse the motor.
>
> Right!
>
> >6. one man with no knowledge of inductance, back
> emf ,
> > etc. etc. could succesfully wire up the above
> in between
> > changing nappies on two small children
> (assuming the
> > man is capable of learning from the initial
> mistake of
> > breaking the rather well designed original
> controller).
>
> Like anything else, how "easy" it is depends on your
> experience, and how good the advice you have is.
> When I did the above system, I had virtually no
> experience and almost no good advice, so I made a
> lot of "interesting" mistakes. Luckily, I wasn't
> working with expensive parts, so I just replaced
> them and kept tinkering. It did work in the end!
>
>
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Hi all,
Someone in a recent email was talking about how high a current the Anderson
connectors will take. I was just looking thru their website and came across
this Pulse Current Capability Chart
http://www.andersonpower.com/litlib/files.html/download/169
It looks like when you use 2/0 cable, the connector will support a .5 second
pulse of about 1700 amps, or about 2 minutes at 600 amps...
There is also a Temp rise chart, it looks like using a 2/0 cable that with
about a constant 200 amps passing thru the connector there is about a 24 deg C
(~65 deg F) temp rise.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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The way I understand greylisting to work is that if it has not seen the
from + recipient hash before then it delays the email with a temporary
failure. Your ISP SMTP daemon determines how often it will retry the
sending. The time periods should be determined by RFC821 I believe. So
my point is that it might not be SJSUs server or your incoming mail
server, it might be your outgoing SMTP server.
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Rush wrote:
Bro,
I'm not sure that you are right about my mail server. The way I read the header
is that dpmail10.doteasy.com RECIEVED the email on Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:16:45
-0800 FROM metis.sjsu.edu
and that metis.sjsu.edu RECIEVED the email on Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:29:32 -0800
(PST) FROM listproc (hera.sjsu.edu. - this becomes a delay of 3 days that the
sjsu servers kept the email.
Of the 6 different Newsgroups that I belong to, this is the only one where
emails show up consistently with *days* of lag. If it is my server, why does it
happen only with the sjsu emails?
In any case, thinking that it was my end, last week I talked with my mail server tech support people. They sent several emails to me from several different isp's, public and private, and they showed that all got thru fine, no unexpected delay at all.
If you sent me the email directly, my Mailwasher program may have deleted it by mistake, sorry but it may have considered it spam... try again, I've put your addie in the friends list. I'm in charge of my email, not my server.
As to the censor comment, you'll notice that I put 's around my word 'censor'
so as to imply that I was taking editorial license with the word.
I also just checked a couple headers from each of the other groups that I belong to and none of the
have anything similar to greylist or the words "delay". It could be that the greylist
function is 'broken' from time to time, since as you say the program is old. I used to work in tech
support at AOL and the "SpamHammer" as we called the anti spam program was broken a
couple times a week which pissed thousands and thousands of people off because they had to call in
to have their password reset and assure us that they were not spammers.
And it looks like I am back on the greylist... here is the greylist line from
the latest email that I have from myself.
X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:20:22 by milter-greylist-3.0 (apollo.sjsu.edu
[130.65.3.73])
So the greylist is on again, off again... what are its parameters?
The reason that the out of sequence emails are so noticeable to me is that I
have my emails set to show the 'Sent' time as the main organizing field.
Happy New Year!
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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http://www.t3motion.com/
"T3 Motion is the leader in the security electric vehicles market and
manufacturer of the electric vehicles."
I can't understand why the Law buys into these hugely expensive
personal electric vehicles (see also "segway")...
Is there *any* advantage to three wheels versus two when the vehicles
are this small?
Why do these folks buy into "Ferraris" when "Toyotas" are available
with similar performance at a fraction of the cost to buy and maintain,
eg Currie product or Go Big?
http://www.gobigscooters.com/
Anywhooo... Best wishes to all EVers for this holiday season. Here's
hoping for an early spring (northern hemisphere :))
Lock
Toronto
Human/Electric Hybrid Pedestrian
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This is opinion only:
The 3 wheels does not lay on the ground or have to be
leaned against anything as it is self supporting.
No learning curve to run it. Basically driven like a
motorcycle or Trike.
Control not depending on gyro to keep stable and will
not flip driver when gyro hangs up.
Good for parking ticket and mall parking lot cruising.
Faster than walking a beat? Airport cruising?
All government contracts seem to run into if more
expensive it will be better.
--- Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.t3motion.com/
> "T3 Motion is the leader in the security electric
> vehicles market and
> manufacturer of the electric vehicles."
>
> I can't understand why the Law buys into these
> hugely expensive
> personal electric vehicles (see also "segway")...
>
> Is there *any* advantage to three wheels versus two
> when the vehicles
> are this small?
>
> Why do these folks buy into "Ferraris" when
> "Toyotas" are available
> with similar performance at a fraction of the cost
> to buy and maintain,
>
> eg Currie product or Go Big?
> http://www.gobigscooters.com/
>
> Anywhooo... Best wishes to all EVers for this
> holiday season. Here's
> hoping for an early spring (northern hemisphere :))
>
> Lock
> Toronto
> Human/Electric Hybrid Pedestrian
>
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I look forward to reading more about your EV efforts Eduardo.
And I hope during the quiet times you are taking notes of your
experiences. Later, if you can put it up as a web page, other
Chileans will benefit from your efforts.
Please consider noting where you obtained your donor vehicle and
why you chose it. Also where you obtained the EV components and
what hassles or concerns there were from your Chilean perspective.
Then like may, you may want to document your EVangelizing ride in a
journal. It is amazing the experiences one has as an EV driver.
Happy Holidays :-)
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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Martin wrote
> The way I understand greylisting to work is that if it has not seen the
> from + recipient hash before then it delays the email with a temporary
> failure.
I've been on the list for about 2 years and have sent many emails. So the sjsu
daemon should know my isp info...
Sometimes I am on the greylist and sometimes I am off of it. As of the last
copy of one of my emails I am ON the greylist now... maybe on the next one I'll
be off....
I personally don't care, it just seems, to me, to be indicative of something
that is not working right, that's all.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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Your last message (not this one) was sent To: another person. This may
affect the greylist.
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Martin K
Rush wrote:
Martin wrote
The way I understand greylisting to work is that if it has not seen the
from + recipient hash before then it delays the email with a temporary
failure.
I've been on the list for about 2 years and have sent many emails. So the sjsu
daemon should know my isp info...
Sometimes I am on the greylist and sometimes I am off of it. As of the last
copy of one of my emails I am ON the greylist now... maybe on the next one I'll
be off....
I personally don't care, it just seems, to me, to be indicative of something
that is not working right, that's all.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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At 10:57 AM 12/25/2006, Rush wrote:
Martin wrote
> The way I understand greylisting to work is that if it has not seen the
> from + recipient hash before then it delays the email with a temporary
> failure.
I've been on the list for about 2 years and have sent many emails.
So the sjsu daemon should know my isp info...
Sometimes I am on the greylist and sometimes I am off of it. As of
the last copy of one of my emails I am ON the greylist now... maybe
on the next one I'll be off....
Greylisting doesn't care about long term history. Generally it's
short term. If you haven't sent email to the list for some time
(often just 1 or 2 days), then the next time you send email, it's
rejected on the first attempt. Generally, properly setup Email
servers try again quite soon, like 30 minutes, and then it is accepted.
This removes a LARGE proportion of SPAM, since most SPAM senders
don't bother trying again.
The problem is when your email service isn't set up in a normal
configuration, and doesn't retry sending the msg soon. I have one
server I work with that doesn't try again until something like 24
hours later. It's a real PITA.
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
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In the spirit of less lore and more data, below are several references
about LRR tires.
This one has tires by manufacturer and their LRR coefficient.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/SR286Rolling_Resistance_Data.pdf
Here is a very long paper on LRR tires.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286.pdf
Here is a summary that is very short.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286TRNewsSummary.pdf
Here is a LRR tire law passed in California, coming to a state near
you:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-999-2005-016/CEC-999-2005-016.PDF
The Green Geal testing data is great but just try and find a tire on
that list that you can still buy.
Mike
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set EV mail digest
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I'm planning a conversion of a 96 RAV4 (2 WD). I've found relatively
little background information on using the Solectria Gearbox
(http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/acgearbox.shtml) instead of
adapting to my existing manual transmission.
Have people had experience with this variation? Is so, why did you
choose it over the manual transmission?
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I looked at the T3Motion site and their pdf file. They are sort of
one-person-chariot-things. They are 'quoted' as capable of up to 25 mph (so
faster than
persons can run). They are big enough to use on the street. Three wheels is
more stable
than two especially at 25mph or less. It also doesn't need 'fancy gyroscopes'
like the
segway nor lots of driver inputs like a motorcycle.
They are shown as police and military vehicles. For crowd control and some
vehicle control
it might work. That is only one market, though, and a true niche market. They
are I think
it would be a stretch for Motocross drivers to consider these things as
candidates for
stripping and rebuilding into racers. It might work very well for a police
vehicle.
Steve Love -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Lock Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: T3 Motion
> http://www.t3motion.com/
> "T3 Motion is the leader in the security electric vehicles market and
> manufacturer of
the electric vehicles."
> I can't understand why the Law buys into these hugely expensive personal
> electric
vehicles (see also "segway")... Is there *any* advantage to three wheels
versus two when
the vehicles are this small? Why do these folks buy into "Ferraris" when
"Toyotas" are
available with similar performance at a fraction of the cost to buy and
maintain, eg
Currie product or Go Big? http://www.gobigscooters.com/
> Anywhooo... Best wishes to all EVers for this holiday season. Here's hoping
> for an early
spring (northern hemisphere :))
> Lock
> Toronto > Human/Electric Hybrid Pedestrian
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is there any info on 'air less' tires w.r.t. rolling resistance?
Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the spirit of less lore and more data, below are several references
about LRR tires.
This one has tires by manufacturer and their LRR coefficient.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/SR286Rolling_Resistance_Data.pdf
Here is a very long paper on LRR tires.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286.pdf
Here is a summary that is very short.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286TRNewsSummary.pdf
Here is a LRR tire law passed in California, coming to a state near
you:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-999-2005-016/CEC-999-2005-016.PDF
The Green Geal testing data is great but just try and find a tire on
that list that you can still buy.
Mike
check out my blog:
http://geocities.com/hendersonmotorcycles/blog.html
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In a message dated 12/25/2006 1:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
> Date:12/25/2006 1:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:[email protected]
> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
> is there any info on 'air less' tires w.r.t. rolling resistance?
>
> Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the spirit of less lore and more data, below are several references
> about LRR tires.
>
> This one has tires by manufacturer and their LRR coefficient.
>
> http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/SR286Rolling_Resistance_Data.pdf
>
>
> Here is a very long paper on LRR tires.
>
> http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286.pdf
>
>
> Here is a summary that is very short.
>
> http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286TRNewsSummary.pdf
>
>
> Here is a LRR tire law passed in California, coming to a state near
> you:
>
> http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-999-2005-016/CEC-999-2005-016.P
> DF
>
>
> The Green Geal testing data is great but just try and find a tire on
> that list that you can still buy.
>
> Mike
With my s10 street/drag truck nearing compleation I have been checking out
this thread.I have planned to use a goodyear front runner as a street/strip
tire.Its jegs part#478-d1964 a 26.0x4.5-15 tire.Of course it will only be for
the
front. A 9 inch dot slick in the back. Dennis Berube Are their any
negetives to this combo?
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Hi everyone
I was reading about the manzanita micro charger on a web page and it said
that you could turn the current down on it for lower capacity batteries. I
was wondering if i could turn it down far enough so that i could use it as a
trickle charger to top off my batteries, does anyone think that would work.
Also how does the charger know what voltage of a pack i am chargeing.
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Dennis, I could be wrong but I believe the Goodyear Frontrunners are a race
tire and therefore may not be legal on the street. This is from the Goodyear
racing site: http://www.racegoodyear.com/technical.html
"Goodyear racing tires are designed and compounded solely for racing
purposes and are not tested or labeled to meet FMVSS109/ECE36 safety
standards. It is therefore not only dangerous but also illegal to sell race
tires for use on public streets or highways."
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
In a message dated 12/25/2006 1:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Re: Low Rolling Resistance tire law
Date:12/25/2006 1:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to:[email protected]
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Received from Internet:
is there any info on 'air less' tires w.r.t. rolling resistance?
Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the spirit of less lore and more data, below are several references
about LRR tires.
This one has tires by manufacturer and their LRR coefficient.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/SR286Rolling_Resistance_Data.pdf
Here is a very long paper on LRR tires.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286.pdf
Here is a summary that is very short.
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr286TRNewsSummary.pdf
Here is a LRR tire law passed in California, coming to a state near
you:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-999-2005-016/CEC-999-2005-016.P
DF
The Green Geal testing data is great but just try and find a tire on
that list that you can still buy.
Mike
With my s10 street/drag truck nearing compleation I have been checking out
this thread.I have planned to use a goodyear front runner as a
street/strip
tire.Its jegs part#478-d1964 a 26.0x4.5-15 tire.Of course it will only be
for the
front. A 9 inch dot slick in the back. Dennis Berube Are their any
negetives to this combo?
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