EV Digest 6400
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Speaking of Hybrids
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Busses, trains and Automobiles........ More!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: soneil chargers
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) was Looking for a controller Now AC Motor
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: Personal Electric Transport
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: wiring size
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Speaking of Hybrids
by "Randy Burleson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Personal Electric Transport
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: KillaCycle YouTube now over 20,000 views
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: wiring size
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Busses, trains and Automobiles........ More!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: Top two wheeled ev you can buy right now
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Keystone Carts saga
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Personal Electric Transport
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Looking for a controller...
by "Dale Ulan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: was Looking for a controller Now AC Motor
by "Joe Plumer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Personal Electric Transport
by "Darin - at - metrompg.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Panasonic contactor
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: KillaCycle YouTube now over 20,000 views
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Personal Electric Transport
by "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Panasonic contactor
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Panasonic contactor
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Looking for a controller...
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Fwd: FW: Personal Electric Transport
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Looking for a controller...
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Panasonic contactor
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: wiring size back to the question...
by "Tim Gamber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Thanks for sharing that Jack.
>
>
> I have been thinking along similar lines.
> My idea was slightly different . Run a high strength
> steel shaft through the hollow shaft of a normal rear
> wheel hub, with bearings at either end.
Could you clarify this please? I've never seen a rear wheel with a hollow
shaft, unless you are talking about a typical live axle rear end. In that
case there is already a shaft (drive axle) inside the external tube.
I don't think this is what you're talking about though, since most people
use this as is without machining anything.
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From: "Dana Havranek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Busses, trains and Automobiles
> Hey Bob -
>
> We got electric railways all over the place her in the midwest.
> Unfortunately, they call them bike paths now.
>" Rails to Trails".sigh!
> Except for the South Shore (a true electric interurban), the IC Electric
(a suburban service) and the old Chicago El they are all gone. But the South
Shore RR - what a jewel she is!
> Hi Dana;
Ya missed the classic North Shore Line! Home of the Electro-Liners. Of
course the South Shore lived on long enough to get state funding, North
Shore didn't. Sigh! N.S. had the downtown Loop as a landing rights access to
Chicago, It would be a good stratgic thing, nowadaze!Of course the Skokie
Swift is a reminder, but how the mighty hath fallen! Give me yur Snail Mail
Address and I will forward ya some good VHS Vids from the Trolley era.The
Late Great South Shore used to buy up used electric lokies, rewire them and
use them on freight. Little Joes come to mind,BIGGER than a mere 240 ton
GG-1, as well as the X. NYC, Cleveland Tunnel Motors. I guess they junked
them by now. But they all looked great, trundling down the street in South
Bend. Drove my 65 VW alongside a Little Joe there, once, a humbling
experiance! EVery town should have a RR running through it<g>!Nature's most
perfect ROADBLOCK on the Planet! TRY to get through 100 ton plus cars, Ha
Ha!Oh they TRY,doesn't EVen slow down the train, whats a few car parts under
the wheels, among friends?
It's nice to dig out the RR fans from the List, "out" them and share the
wonders of E Rail Stuff!
> I don't think of my EV as a ICE car with an electric motor.
> It's a streetcar with rubber tires.
> I took a Boston Guy for a spin in my Rabbit HE thought it sounded like a
"T" Trackless trolley. Had to agree with him.My early attemps at homemade
EV's ran streight cut gears and sounded EXACTLY like a old trolley car!Best
part of the car! As I notched through series -parallel it was a great
trolley nostalgia trip!
> You know, they used to have coal burning stoves in those trolley cars to
keep warm.
Our 1915 Pullman built North Shore car , living , retired, in CT Museum,
HAS a big coal stove, amidships, as well as storm windows. Now THAT sez it
all about Olde Winter daze! Just the electric heat will drive ya out in
CT<g>!
> Hmmm. That would feel good right about now in my EV.
> Would make it more perky, too.
> Yeah, but a tad heavier!I HAVE moved a "All Nighter: wood stove in my
Rabbit. NOT lit, though a stove pipe sticking out the hatchback would have
been picturesque<g>The wood fire would help in the heat dept, I guess.Get a
good draft at hiway speeds? And you think Cell Fone are distracting? Try
tending a wood fire, in traffic? Tailgate me? And ya get a few shovels of
hot ashes!This is why they had firemen in steamers!
My two pantographs worth!
Seeya
Bob
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You should be able to get the charge curves off of Soneils website, but the
12 volt Soneil charger I had did full current up to 14.7 volts then held at
14.7 volts until the current dropped to some smaill current, (I don't recall
the exact figure), then held the batteries at a 13.8 float voltage. I would
be willing to bet that the 36 volt charger does the same times 3.
damon
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: soneil chargers
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:51:51 -0600
Tim Gamber wrote:
i recently saw a 36 volt 4.5 amp charger on the internet and it said that
you could leave it hooked up indefinetly and it would not overcharge your
batteries. Would this also be true for AGMs because thats what i was
thinking of usng it for. Do i still need regulators, or could i do
without?
If it really does shut off completely, it would be fine to leave on your
batteries indefinitely. The problem is that almost all chargers do *not*
turn completely off, no matter what they claim. The advertising has gotten
so bad that I don't trust anything it says; I verify for myself what it
actually does.
Soneil is a good brand, so you have a better chance with them than others.
--
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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If anyone needs this motor
_http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detail_
(http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detailI) I
Don't spend 2000 dollars I can get you one for 1250 dollars brand new still
in the box. It is the OEM replacement motor for the 1998 to 2001 Ranger EV.
The problem is there are no controllers for this motor except Siemens. I have
talked to Victor and the distributor will not sell the controllers without
buying a motor. A Siemens controller would also allow one to change the factory
Ranger or allow use this motor in another vehicle. It is a super price for a
new AC motor the problem is obtaining a controller. It is a perfect motor
for a pickup it moves 5000 pounds very quickly. Quality products do cost more
but another point to consider. If you buy from Metric mind you not only get a
system that is of the highest quality but Victors support. Victor's web site
_www.metricmind.com_ (http://www.metricmind.com)
I am going to be buying the Siemens and motor controller from Victor.
Don
In a message dated 2/9/2007 6:55:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you could get a controller from Electro Automotive.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe Plumer
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:46
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Looking for a controller...
I've been looking for an AC motor and ran across this.
http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detail
But since they don't have controllers I don't know if it's a decent
deal.
Does anyone know if a controller is still available? I realize that
this isn't the latest motor, but it will be going into a Ranger/S-10
sized vehicle so it should work well enough.
Any help/thoughts would be appreciated.
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I like it! I wonder how much the kit is going to cost.
> http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Concept.html
>
> ADvanced DC 4001 series wound motor.
>
> Chain drive; 6/1 ratio.
>
>
>
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What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are you talking about? Do you really think my 2 guage wire is
going to catch on fire??? I need to add a side car so you can ride along
beside me and feel how cool the cables stay. It's not even close. Perhaps
you can get your calculator out and do some thermal analysis of exactly how
much my cable warms up. I found it easier to just build the thing, take it
for a spin, and touch the cable with my hand and I'm telling you it works
just fine.
How many miles does your EV have on it?
damon
From: "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: RE: wiring size
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:56:16 -0500
I understand that it worked well for you but what would you say if it
suddenly burned up on you. When building a vehicle with lethal voltages
I tend to stay well within the specs of all pieces involved. A hefty
safety margin is recommended. When something goes wrong the excuse
"someone on the list said it was OK" won't really help you out. I tend
to draw upon engineering data so I know for a fact that what I am using
will work in the application I select. I am not saying you are wrong -
I am saying I wouldn't go that route. I would think an electrical fire
on a motorcycle with me on top of it would be a scary idea.
Jody
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of damon henry
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 14:07
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: wiring size
Actually 2 guage IS big enough for my motorcycle. The wire does not
even warm up before the 15 miles or so that my motorcycle can go on a
single charge, of course the same was true when I had 40 miles range. I
have over 3000 miles of proof that my 2 guage wire works and I am almost
always in the 100 to 200 amp range when cruising and even higher on
acceleration, but that is for my motorcycle. I would definitely use
heavier guage in a car.
My point is, that you can read charts and do math, but you have to look
at each individual application to know what you can get away with. With
such a small amount of cabling and a limited amount of time that current
can actually flow (My BB600's can sustain a 100 amp draw for a little
over 20
minutes) I smaller guage wire fits my needs just fine.
I'm not discounting the need to look at the charts in your decision
making process, it's just that you need some context to put the numbers
into.
BTW - When I first started putting my motorcycle together it was one of
the list guru's with lots of experience that told me that for my
particular application 2 guage would probably be fine, and he was right.
He never even bothered to look up the specs, although I suspect he had
them fairly well memorized.
damon
>From: "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: RE: wiring size
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:48:01 -0500
>
>2 gage wire is no where near big enough for 200 amps continuous. 1/0
>would be pushing it. I would use 2/0 just for a hefty safety margin.
>Here is a link for the actual capabilities of the wiring.
>
>http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
>
>Here is a link for a good place to get the connectors and the cable.
>
>http://www.wiringproducts.com/?target=dept_44.html&gclid=CIfAp_DunooCFR
>Z
>AgQodBi78fw
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of damon henry
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:51
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>Subject: RE: wiring size
>
>I use 2 guage wiring on my motorcycle and it carries this many amps no
>problem, but because it is a motorcycle the overall length of the
>circuit is fairly short, probably around 10 feet.
>
>damon
>
>
> >From: "Tim Gamber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> >Subject: wiring size
> >Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:32:42 -0700
> >
> >is 1/0 wiring big enough to take 450 amps for short bursts and
> >100-200 amps continuous at 72 volts?
> >
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> I think a good way to do a plug-in hybrid is to take a FWD
> car, and add an electric motor to drive the rear wheels.
> Then you can use the electric motor around town, and use the
> gas motor on the freeway.
> So I've changed it to use a chain drive. The problem now
> is the chain makes a huge amount of noise!
Using a multi-rib belt with a tensioner should be quieter, but you'll
probably have other noise (squeal). Still, some ICE superchargers drive
pretty hard against these belts.
Would it help to add a chain tensioner, not so much to tension the
chain, but primarily to damp the noise?
Keep up the good work -- I very much like this sort of through-the-road
hybrid, and if I do a four-wheeled EV, this has strong consideration.
Randii
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I gather the idea is to keep the weight to a minimum but still keep
one dry.
There is a video but I was not able to open it
The runabout trike http://www.electric-cycle.com/index.html
with a similar cover would be nice and could be registered as a
bicycle
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
> I think this is done by the folks who broght
> us the Gizmo so likely to actually be produced. The rear
> seems to be completely open.
> Jerry Dycus
>
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> From: "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Personal Electric Transport
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:50:12 -0000
>
> >http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Concept.html
> >
> >ADvanced DC 4001 series wound motor.
> >
> >Chain drive; 6/1 ratio.
> >
> >
>
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Hey Bill
First off congrats on the views you've had so far.
I wanted to chime in here because my wife went and had
a look last night to see if it was a new one or what.
When I came in she said did you see that spark
shooting over to the field? I was like what?? Sure
enough (I'd never noticed it before) at the very end
you can see a glowing piece of something shoot about
30 feet high and shoot over to the field left of the
track. Anyway I was wondering how many of us missed
that high shooting star. It's right around the
freeway lights. Really shows how hot these arcs are!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The video clip of the KillaCycle running 8.760 at
> Las Vegas is now
> over 20,000 views on YouTube and appears to be
> accelerating. Over 600
> views in just the last day!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRpAZci9m0
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: wiring size
> Power is measured in Watts, not volts. If you were talking about watts,
> then you should use the correct unit of measurement, that way you won't
> confuse simpletons like me.
> The way you keep flopping around is certainly confusing me.
>
> I don't know anyone other than you that talks about voltage drop in EVs as
> a percentage. Since the voltage drop in the cables of an EV is a fraction
> of 1 percent, I'm not sure what you think this is larger than.
>
> Is it your contention is that we need to size the conductors to overcome
> the voltage sag in the batteries??!!?? If so, then that is just plain
> stupid, and impossible.
I am not talking about the voltage sag cause by the cables. The voltage sag
could causes a increase in ampere, thus increase of temperature of the
cable. If you are approaching the maximum temperature of that wire, than
you must increase the size of that wire to reduce the temperature. Roland
>
> > I was talking about power. The 3 percent is the maximum voltage drop we
> > can
> > have in any size conductor for power circuits. Its 1 percent maximum
> > voltage drop for lighting.
> >
> > For a EV, the VD percentage is larger, so the conductors size must be
> > adjusted to stay at or below the temperature rating of the conductor.
> >
> > Those figures I stated are the MAXIMUM VD at TEMPERATURE that you
> > should
> > apply to these size conductors. Not taking the resistance of the
> > conductor
> > itself, but all the components that cause the voltage drop.
> >
> > I should have said a 10 volt drop from a 72 volt charge pack which would
> > be
> > about 76 volts charge voltage.
> >
> > In my EV, the voltage is related to the resistance and ampere in the
> > circuit. The maximum voltage drop that is design in my EV, is 15 volts
> > from
> > a 180 volt battery pack. That becomes 165 volts or 1.83 volts per cell.
> > The motor is rated at 165 volts at 175 amps and has a Service Factor of
> > 1.5
> > SF.
> >
> > This means that the 165 volt motor x 1.5 = 247.5 volts. The maximum
> > charge
> > volts is 233.5 volts and after charging it floats down to 207 volts and
> > to
> > 192 volts at initial start up.
> >
> > So I have a design voltage drop of 192-165V = 27 volts for my EV. I
> > calculated it would be about 10 VD for a 72V battery pack which would be
> > about 76.8 volts - 10 VD = 66.8 volts. This is 1.85 volts per cell which
> > should be the maximum battery voltage drop you should apply at no load.
> > This is not the voltage sag where the battery will recover its battery
> > pack
> > voltage.
> >
> > I was not talking about the conductor resistance in it self, but the
> > allowable maximum load that can be subjected to that conductor at its
> > maximum temperature rating.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: wiring size
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Again this changes nothing, the voltage drop is not related to our
> >> pack
> >> >> voltage, only the current.
> >> >
> >> > But this current depends on the voltage for given power EV, this is I
> >> > guess is the source of confusion.
> >>
> >> But we weren't talking about power.
> >>
> >> The original statement was that the voltage drop for 50 ft of 1/0 wire
> >> was
> >> 3% of the applied voltage at 200 amps.
> >>
> >> And then made an interesting statement that the wiring voltage drop for
> >> a
> >> 72V EV would be 10V.
> >>
> >> Neither of these statements is correct.
> >> That is what I was trying to point out before things started skewed in
> >> an
> >> apparent attempt to somehow make the original statements true.
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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Yea, Were everywhere. Funny you should mention Little Joe The Illinios railway
museum has been buying used assets from the Chicago area for quite a few years.
They have the old South shore and South Bend #803 listed on their roster. Take
a look at their website it even has a couple of web cams. You won’t see much
though the museum is closed until April. The only activity is in the rebuild
shops. Years ago I used to spend a little time in the steam shop. I even have a
couple of photo credits on the web page. They run the electric busses all
summer which is easy enough since the whole place is laced with overhead wires.
Rick Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Busses, trains and Automobiles........ More!
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From: "Dana Havranek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Busses, trains and Automobiles
> Hey Bob -
>
> We got electric railways all over the place her in the midwest.
> Unfortunately, they call them bike paths now.
>" Rails to Trails".sigh!
> Except for the South Shore (a true electric interurban), the IC Electric
(a suburban service) and the old Chicago El they are all gone. But the South
Shore RR - what a jewel she is!
> Hi Dana;
Ya missed the classic North Shore Line! Home of the Electro-Liners. Of
course the South Shore lived on long enough to get state funding, North
Shore didn't. Sigh! N.S. had the downtown Loop as a landing rights access to
Chicago, It would be a good stratgic thing, nowadaze!Of course the Skokie
Swift is a reminder, but how the mighty hath fallen! Give me yur Snail Mail
Address and I will forward ya some good VHS Vids from the Trolley era.The
Late Great South Shore used to buy up used electric lokies, rewire them and
use them on freight. Little Joes come to mind,BIGGER than a mere 240 ton
GG-1, as well as the X. NYC, Cleveland Tunnel Motors. I guess they junked
them by now. But they all looked great, trundling down the street in South
Bend. Drove my 65 VW alongside a Little Joe there, once, a humbling
experiance! EVery town should have a RR running through it<g>!Nature's most
perfect ROADBLOCK on the Planet! TRY to get through 100 ton plus cars, Ha
Ha!Oh they TRY,doesn't EVen slow down the train, whats a few car parts under
the wheels, among friends?
It's nice to dig out the RR fans from the List, "out" them and share the
wonders of E Rail Stuff!
> I don't think of my EV as a ICE car with an electric motor.
> It's a streetcar with rubber tires.
> I took a Boston Guy for a spin in my Rabbit HE thought it sounded like a
"T" Trackless trolley. Had to agree with him.My early attemps at homemade
EV's ran streight cut gears and sounded EXACTLY like a old trolley car!Best
part of the car! As I notched through series -parallel it was a great
trolley nostalgia trip!
> You know, they used to have coal burning stoves in those trolley cars to
keep warm.
Our 1915 Pullman built North Shore car , living , retired, in CT Museum,
HAS a big coal stove, amidships, as well as storm windows. Now THAT sez it
all about Olde Winter daze! Just the electric heat will drive ya out in
CT<g>!
> Hmmm. That would feel good right about now in my EV.
> Would make it more perky, too.
> Yeah, but a tad heavier!I HAVE moved a "All Nighter: wood stove in my
Rabbit. NOT lit, though a stove pipe sticking out the hatchback would have
been picturesque<g>The wood fire would help in the heat dept, I guess.Get a
good draft at hiway speeds? And you think Cell Fone are distracting? Try
tending a wood fire, in traffic? Tailgate me? And ya get a few shovels of
hot ashes!This is why they had firemen in steamers!
My two pantographs worth!
Seeya
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Mopeds are allowed in bike lanes ridden judiciously. For a city user who
will never see 40 mph it meets 100% of my city needs. Don't forget. If you
go fast on an ev you won't go far. Please don't justify high speed to
others. Your speed is your business but it is short sighted to use more
vehicle than you need. At this time (or any) Freeway capable motorcycles
are of limited range. When other chemistries come along you won't need a
1200 pouind motorcycle to go 40 miles at 60 mph. Cedric Lynches bike is the
exception. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Top two wheeled ev you can buy right now
> I'm glad the Lepton suits your needs, but frankly I'm discouraged with
> what's available in terms of 2-wheel EVs. 28 mph top speed is simply
> unacceptable for even my short commute. If I can't keep up with the 40
mph
> traffic on the main roads, I might as well just stay in the bike lane and
> get some exercise like I do now. At least there, nobody tailgates or
honks.
>
> They have their place obviously, but it's disappointingly small.
>
> - Kip
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "SFEVA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:28 AM
> Subject: Top two wheeled ev you can buy right now
>
>
> > I'm liking my experience with my Lepton. It is a full fledged moped.
> > Great
> > for running around town. I've also owned Vego's, Bladez and othere
> > scooters
> > which were ok. Who has had a good two wheeled experience? Certainly
> > Electricmotorsports is the only place I know where you can get a real
> > electric motorcycle. Anyone else have a good experience to share?
Reply
> > the the list please. Lawrence Rhodes......
>
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http://www.keystonecarts.com/about.html This is the sad ending of the
Keystone Flyer. If it is reborn it will be a USA product. Lawrence
Rhodes......
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I like the look of it, but I wish I could get that body modified for
2 wheel for my under 30 mph pedelly electric.... it rains here way
too often!
T
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From: "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi All,
I think this is done by the folks who broght
us the Gizmo so likely to actually be produced. The rear
seems to be completely open.
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>http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Concept.html
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I think you could get a controller from Electro Automotive.
Or metricmind - Victor sells Siemens inverters (and motors).
-Dale
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Thanks, that's pretty much what I expected. I plan to buy a new motor from
Victor
as soon as get enough money together to afford both the motor and
controller.
I hope it will be soon.
If anyone needs this motor
_http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detail_
(http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detailI) I
Don't spend 2000 dollars I can get you one for 1250 dollars brand new still
in the box. It is the OEM replacement motor for the 1998 to 2001 Ranger EV.
The problem is there are no controllers for this motor except Siemens. I
have
talked to Victor and the distributor will not sell the controllers without
buying a motor. A Siemens controller would also allow one to change the
factory
Ranger or allow use this motor in another vehicle. It is a super price for
a
new AC motor the problem is obtaining a controller. It is a perfect motor
for a pickup it moves 5000 pounds very quickly. Quality products do cost
more
but another point to consider. If you buy from Metric mind you not only
get a
system that is of the highest quality but Victors support. Victor's web
site
_www.metricmind.com_ (http://www.metricmind.com)
I am going to be buying the Siemens and motor controller from Victor.
Don
In a message dated 2/9/2007 6:55:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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I think you could get a controller from Electro Automotive.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe Plumer
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:46
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Looking for a controller...
I've been looking for an AC motor and ran across this.
http://www.mavin.com/index.php?crn=200&rn=362&action=show_detail
But since they don't have controllers I don't know if it's a decent
deal.
Does anyone know if a controller is still available? I realize that
this isn't the latest motor, but it will be going into a Ranger/S-10
sized vehicle so it should work well enough.
Any help/thoughts would be appreciated.
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Peter VanDerWal wrote:
I like it! I wonder how much the kit is going to cost.
I do too.
Site says: "A completed BugE costs about $4000"
(http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_FAQ.htm), and, "The BugE kit will sell for
approx. $3000." (http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Design_Concept.htm).
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Has anybody tried these on their EV,
http://pewa.panasonic.com/pcsd/product/pwr/pdf/mech_eng_ev.pdf
It's rated at 300A and 400Vdc, can break 2500A.
Thanks,
Rod
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As I mentioned to you on the phone a couple of days ago, there was
nothing that size missing from the motor. Thus, this makes me believe
that it was a nut or bolt that we picked up from the track.
There is no direct path to the motor commutator window from the rear
tire, but there is a "pachinco machine" type route that a bolt or nut
could find its way though. The bolt would have to be picked up by the
rear tire, bounce off the top of the rear fender, pass next to the
fender by the chain, land on top of the left end of the rear motor,
vibrate along the length of the motor to the right side of the bike,
and then drop into the brush window.
Also, there is no direct path for such an object to escape upward.
The bolt would have to drop out of the brush window, land on the
track, then stick to the rear tire and be hurled up in the air behind
the bike.
It is the only reasonable explanation we can come up with.
Bill Dube'
At 11:13 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Hey Bill
First off congrats on the views you've had so far.
I wanted to chime in here because my wife went and had
a look last night to see if it was a new one or what.
When I came in she said did you see that spark
shooting over to the field? I was like what?? Sure
enough (I'd never noticed it before) at the very end
you can see a glowing piece of something shoot about
30 feet high and shoot over to the field left of the
track. Anyway I was wondering how many of us missed
that high shooting star. It's right around the
freeway lights. Really shows how hot these arcs are!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRpAZci9m0
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> Bill Dube'
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From: "Darin - at - metrompg.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Personal Electric Transport
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
I like it! I wonder how much the kit is going to cost.
I do too.
Site says: "A completed BugE costs about $4000"
(http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_FAQ.htm), and, "The BugE kit will sell for
approx. $3000." (http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Design_Concept.htm).
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Rod -
do you know who distributes these, or what the prices are?
Phil
From: Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Panasonic contactor
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:26:20 -0800 (PST)
Has anybody tried these on their EV,
http://pewa.panasonic.com/pcsd/product/pwr/pdf/mech_eng_ev.pdf
It's rated at 300A and 400Vdc, can break 2500A.
Thanks,
Rod
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looks good, where can you buy them?
Rod Hower wrote:
Has anybody tried these on their EV,
http://pewa.panasonic.com/pcsd/product/pwr/pdf/mech_eng_ev.pdf
It's rated at 300A and 400Vdc, can break 2500A.
Thanks,
Rod
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On 9 Feb 2007 at 9:46, Joe Plumer wrote:
> But since they don't have controllers I don't know if it's a decent deal. Does
> anyone know if a controller is still available?
This subject comes up on the EVDL every few months. Briefly, the answer is
"no." Search the archives for details. Just search for "Mavin."
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/
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According to his design spec sheet, about $3,000.00
http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Design_Concept.htm last line
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:05 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Personal Electric Transport
I like it! I wonder how much the kit is going to cost.
> http://blueskydsn.com/BugE_Concept.html
>
> ADvanced DC 4001 series wound motor.
>
> Chain drive; 6/1 ratio.
>
>
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These motors have been discussed here - sorry, but MME will not sell
inverters alone for these motors. Lot more things should
be done right for it to work (contactors/precharge circuit
for one) and if amateurs make it there is no guarantee the
system will work, let alone work for 10 years.
If Electro automotive is willing to sell you just inverter
and back it up, good for you.
Victor
Dale Ulan wrote:
I think you could get a controller from Electro Automotive.
Or metricmind - Victor sells Siemens inverters (and motors).
-Dale
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http://pewa.panasonic.com/pcsd/distributors/distributors.html
But I checked several distributors and they didn't
have the 300A, 400V model. I'm guessing it's new and
the distributors don't stock it yet.
Perhaps you can give panasonic a call,
800-276-6289
Rod
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> looks good, where can you buy them?
>
> Rod Hower wrote:
> > Has anybody tried these on their EV,
> >
>
http://pewa.panasonic.com/pcsd/product/pwr/pdf/mech_eng_ev.pdf
> > It's rated at 300A and 400Vdc, can break 2500A.
> > Thanks,
> > Rod
> >
> >
>
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i wont be drag racing it but i want it to have very good acceleration maybe
a top speed of about 75mp/h
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: wiring size back to the question...
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:53:51 -0700 (MST)
Ok, as I recall you were discussing a 72V bike? Are you drag racing it?
If not, then cruising speed will probably need about 75 amps give or take.
Assume your bike has 20 feet of cable (probably less but what the heck).
The resistance for 20 feet of:
1/0 is approx 0.002 ohms
00 is approx 0.0015
0000 is approx 0.001
So 4/0 will have about 1/2 the voltage drop of 1/0
At 75 amps
1/0 will drop ~0.14 volts
2/0 will drop ~0.116 volts
4/0 will drop ~0.074 volts
The difference in efficiency at 75 amps will be ~0.1% between 1/0 and 4/0
At 200 amps the difference in efficiency is ~0.26%
Note: those are not typos, I did NOT mean to say 26%, we are talking about
a fraction of 1%.
So yes, it makes a tiny difference in efficiency. You'd have to decide
whether or not that is worth the extra weight, expense, and hassle.
P.S. I asked if you were planning on drag racing because at 1,000 amps it
gets up over 1%. Probably not worth the extra weight but you'd have to
run the calculations.
> So anyway back to the question... If if i had the option of choosing 1/0
> or
> 2/0 in a motorcycle would the 2/0 make my motorcycle more efficent
because
> of less resistance? Or would the weight and cost savings (which are
> minimal)
> of 1/0 be worth it? what if i put huge 4/0 in it would that make it even
> more efficent?
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