EV Digest 6503
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: newbie - dc motor speed/hp/current/volts characteristics for
racing!
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Compressed air as battery?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Compressed air as battery?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Jim Husted's amazing motor restoration
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Compressed air as battery?
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Largest Capacity NiMH Cells?
by "Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) High Voltage / Low current, was: High Current / Low Voltage Drive
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Batt resurrecting
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Battery Naming
by "Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) EVLN(Ruffner chose '81 ComutaCar over today's hybrids or nEVs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(1st eastern U.S. EV conversion workshop)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EVLN(ZAP's Gary Starr diversified)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Saw WKTEC>mad at oil companies>bought hybrid>selling ICE)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(Begley Says "Ecorazzi! We love you!")
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(OSU students to modify HP's racing TEAMeV EVs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(Du Quoin IL votes whether to allow nEVs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(China electric sanitation trucks)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: EVLN(Begley Says "Ecorazzi! We love you!")
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Thankyou for your quick and helpful replies, i think i am understanding
> more
> now..
> so, the hp will increase with the motor speed - until your
> batteries/supply
> reaches its limit of voltage¤t. As you increase the speed of the
> motor, and therefore the voltage draw, the current available from the
> batteries will decrease, this being the limiting factor to the power and
> rpm
> available (assuming you are battery limited not motor limited)?
Sort of. Batteries have a maximum power they can produce. For Lead-Acid
batteries this is usually around the point when you are drawing enough
current to cause the voltage to sag to ~1V per cell.
A series wound motor (and most other DC motors) produces torque that is
pretty much directly tied to current, regardless of applied voltage and
RPM.
For a given torque, voltage is pretty much tied to RPM. I.e if you keep
the current/torque locked, then doubling the voltage will roughly double
the RPM.
Your controller limits how much current you can put into the motor. The
motor limits how long it can handle this current (seconds, minutes,
hours).
The controller & motor combo acts like a big DC-DC converter, Power in
(roughly) equals power out. Up to a point, the controller converts the
battery voltage and current, to a lower voltage with higher current. The
point where this stops, is when the controller comes out of current limit.
At this point the input and output currents are equal and so are the
voltages.
Ideally, for something say like drag racing, you want your controller
current limit to be about the same as your battery current limit (the
point where the battery produces maximum power).
If it is, and the motor can survive this current long enough, and the
battery can survive it long enough, you end up with the following:
zero RPM the controller is in current limit and torque is at maximum. The
motor accelerates. As it accelerates the average voltage across the motor
increases, but the current remains the same (limited by the controller)
At some point the motor will accelerate to the point where the average
voltage across the motor is equal to your pack voltage. At this point you
can't raise the votlage any more (with typical controllers) so the voltage
remains constant and the current falls off if the motor contrinues to
accelerate (this is th epoint where the controller comes out of current
limit).
This is also your maximum HP point. Above this point your torque and hp
will start to fall.
You can either shift to a higher gear, and force the motor to slow which
will put the controller back into current limit, or you can just live with
the reduction in power.
If you shift to far, and the motor slows down too much, then you might put
yourself at a lower HP point than if you hadn't shifted, so choosing your
gears is important.
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I disagree with your disagreement ;-)
Have you ever used an aircompressor? It takes a long time to bring even a
small tank up to a low preassure.
The inefficiencies in compressing air indicates that unless you have a
huge power source, it will take LONGER to fill a compressed air car than
it will to charge an EV.
To be honest, if you have a big enough charger, it might still be quicker
to charge the EV from the same huge power source.
The only quick way might be to charge the tank from another large
compressed air tank. Only it would have to be either a LOT larger than
the vehicle's tank, or at a LOT higher pressure, or you'd need to run a
pump between them. More lost energy and slows down the process.
Also, since compressed air is so low in efficiency, if you use fossil
fuels to generate your electricity (like the VAST majority of electricity
produced in the US) then the air car will cause MORE pollution than EVs.
> I disagree. The one thing the air car offered was a quick fill up and
> no emissions other than the electricity generated to fill the tanks. It
> is a viable source. I like his hybrid idea. It is far cleaner than a
> gas hybrid and with a high pressure compressor at home you could fill it
> up and charge the battery pack. It could give us the long daily range
> needed. I would think it would be better to have a parallel hybrid
> though - the series way the generator would have to be huge to power the
> car and charge the battery. Maybe do it like the prius and use a
> smaller generator and the motor drives the car while charging the
> battery.
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of xx xx
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 22:05
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Compressed air as battery?
>
> But you are still carrying around a motor, even if it's air powered, and
> it still has maintenance issues and inefficiencies. They really oversold
> the aircar on Future Car.
>
> John
>
>
> --- Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Has anyone thought about using compressed air to store energy as a
>> replacement to batteries? After seeing the "aircar"
>> on Future Car, I think
>> compressed air has some potential for energy storage. Depending on
>> the weight of the tanks (aircar used carbon fiber) and the energy
>> being stored, it could definitely yield a higher energy density then
>> lead-acid. Using a motor to drive a generator, it would be possible
>> to electrically recharge the car and it would deliver life cycles many
>
>> times higher than and battery of today. I made a diagram of how I
>> imagined this vehicle.
>> http://bmk789.dyndns.org/pics/aircar.png It could work as a serial
>> PHEV.
>> Compressed air tanks could also potentially be refilled quickly. Is
>> there some obvious problem with this idea or am I overestimating the
>> amount of energy that can be stored as compressed air?
>>
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>
>
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If you are saying that this ran off a standard 110V outlet and only took
15 minutes to provide 120 miles worht of range, then someone pulled a fast
one on you.
Think about it for a moment. 15 minutes on a standard 20 Amp outlet
(derated for safety to only 15 amps) is less than 1/2 a kwh. Are you
seriously trying to say they built a car that can go 120 miles on only 450
whrs?
> They didn't elude to it on Future car but on another discovery channel
> show (Beyond Tomorrow) they actually did a full story on it. The
> compressor they used was one for a scuba tank. It filled the entire
> system in 15 minutes. The compressor was about the size of a suitcase
> and ran off 115V power.
>
> I understand that we are talking efficiency when we discuss Evs. What I
> think we also need to consider is that you have to take into account the
> efficiency of the ICE it replaces - most ICE vehicles are only about 30%
> efficient. Even if you have losses of transfer from electricity to air
> and then from air to motion it is better overall than the ICE. You also
> have a zero emissions vehicle or very low emission if you count the
> electricity generation.
>
> We should embrace these new technologies instead of pointing out all of
> their shortcomings.
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Phil Marino
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:19
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Compressed air as battery?
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Subject: RE: Compressed air as battery?
>>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:49:20 -0500
>>
>>I disagree. The one thing the air car offered was a quick fill up and
>>no emissions other than the electricity generated to fill the tanks.
>>It is a viable source. I like his hybrid idea. It is far cleaner than
>
>>a gas hybrid and with a high pressure compressor at home you could fill
>
>>it up and charge the battery pack. It could give us the long daily
>>range needed.
>
> Maybe, and maybe not. Compressed air is very inefficient as energy
> storage., and takes up a lot of volume. A lot of energy is lost as
> heat
> during the compression process - that's why a typical 1 or 2 HP
> compressor has as much cooling fin area as a 1 or 2 HP ICE - to get rid
> of the waste heat.
>
> And, to get a quick fill-up you either need a large storage facility of
> pre-compressed air, or a huge motor and compressor ( and, the associated
> industrial power lines) that can compress the air very quickly. (while
> getting rid of the huge quantity of waste heat).
> And, if you use a compressed air storage facility, you have substantial
> losses twice - when you originally compress the air, and when you
> transfer it to the vehicle's tanks.
>
> There are good reasons that compressed air cars don't exist.
>
> Phil
>
> I would think it would be better to have a parallel hybrid
>>though - the series way the generator would have to be huge to power
>>the car and charge the battery. Maybe do it like the prius and use a
>>smaller generator and the motor drives the car while charging the
>>battery.
>>
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>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>
>>Behalf Of xx xx
>>Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 22:05
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: Compressed air as battery?
>>
>>But you are still carrying around a motor, even if it's air powered,
>>and it still has maintenance issues and inefficiencies. They really
>>oversold the aircar on Future Car.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>--- Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Has anyone thought about using compressed air to store energy as a
>> > replacement to batteries? After seeing the "aircar"
>> > on Future Car, I think
>> > compressed air has some potential for energy storage. Depending on
>> > the weight of the tanks (aircar used carbon fiber) and the energy
>> > being stored, it could definitely yield a higher energy density then
>
>> > lead-acid. Using a motor to drive a generator, it would be possible
>
>> > to electrically recharge the car and it would deliver life cycles
>> > many
>>
>> > times higher than and battery of today. I made a diagram of how I
>> > imagined this vehicle.
>> > http://bmk789.dyndns.org/pics/aircar.png It could work as a serial
>> > PHEV.
>> > Compressed air tanks could also potentially be refilled quickly. Is
>
>> > there some obvious problem with this idea or am I overestimating the
>
>> > amount of energy that can be stored as compressed air?
>> >
>> >
>> > Brandon
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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http://www.killacycle.com/photos/motor-details/
I put up a few more of Jim's pictures of my motor as it is going
through the rebuilding process.
You MUST look at the "before" and "after" pictures near the end. It
is hard to believe it is actually the same motor.
Bill Dube'
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Well I must point back to the original figure that a scuba tank holds
only 431 watt-hr, shaft energy will be less due to inefficiency and
unusable capacity. Just like EVs, this brings up questions as to what
range may be possible within a vehicle of a practical size. EVs already
come with hard questions about how practical a vehicle with relatively
short range is for the average driver. It seems a compressed air
vehicle will have less range still.
Cryogenic refrigeration takes huge amounts of power. It is hardly an
efficient process compared to simple compression for just creating
compressed air. Also note gases will turn to liquid sooner at higher
pressures. Some gases will not exist in a liquid state at all at
standard pressure no matter how cold you get them, they go straight from
gas to solid.
But you did get me thinking. Liquid nitrogen is pretty freely available
nowadays, at only like $2/gal in bulk, similar to gasoline as gasoline.
How much energy is stored?
Curiously Wikipedia already has the answers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_nitrogen_economy#Energy_density_of_liquid_nitrogen
The ultimate energy is 213 wh/kg, 1/14th the mass energy density of
gasoline used in an ICE at 28% efficiency, and the mass per unit of
volume is similar to gasoline. Real world pneumatic motors will not get
all that back. So if one were to develop a perfect pneumatic motor
(Unobtanium), this is around 14x the cost of gasoline per mile.
Danny
Jeff Shanab wrote:
I have have done the math and I know the air car idea is not very
efficient but what if the compressed air half was cheap and all you did
was use it in an expansion motor under light load, like maybe a
multistage turbine with integral PM alternator (on air bearings of
course). This may be the path to the smallest,highest rpm PM generator
we could tow behind us or have on board.
I think for large quantities of various gases, a compressor is not used.
The air is refrigerated until it is a liquid then allowed to sublime off
a little the re-chilled to liquefy which allows them to seperate the
gases. Before we discount it with the energy used to compress the freon,
Refridgeration in these temperatures and on this scale is also not the
typical freon vapor compression cycle. Usually ammonia compression cycle.
So we buy essitially rent/exchange buy a scuba tank of air when we need
range extension. (Last I heard it was $35-$50) to refill at the local
dive shop, we used it to refill our 3000psi paintball tanks.
I once heard that the 10Kpsi pressurized hydrogen could do as much work
as the gas itself, but that may have just been talk.
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Does anybody know whether or not Gold Peak is producing these NiMH cells
under license from Cobasys / Texaco?
Bruce
Charles Whalen wrote:
> GoldPeak produces a 30Ah NiMH cell that Vectrix (www.vectrix.com) is using
> in its electric maxi-scooter.
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Yesterday evening I had the opposite idea:
Why not use small batteries (like the popular 12V 7Ah gel cell
that almost every small UPS is equipped with) and string not 25
but 250 in series to get a 3000V, 7Ah pack?
The cables could be rather thin because they only need to carry
a small current, the batteries can be placed in all those nooks
and crannies that normally are unused, although the idea that
appealed to me was to make a belly pan 3 inches lower than the
frame and stack those batteries in modules of about 300V under
the car. (This leaves all other areas of the car available,
though weight distribution and available under-car space could
make it necessary to mount some battery modules in the engine
bay, close to the firewall. The belly-pan prevents water and
dirt in the engine bay and battery modules, which is required
due to the high voltage.
The other three reasons I thought of this concept are:
1. I saw an ad offering these batteries per pallet from old stock
for $1.50 each ($375 for a 21kWh pack, not bad)
2. The low amps and high volts make it easy to switch batteries
in and out of the series when the module BMS detects they
pass the threshold for minimum voltage (10.5V)
3. This voltage is a challenge to build a controller for, but once
it is done and a high voltage AC motor can be used, it is also
trivial to use the EEstor instead of or in addition to the
battery bank.
Note that the AC motor not necessarily runs on 3000V, as the
same concept that limits a DC motor voltage works here too,
so possibly a standard 400/600V AC motor can be used.
(I have a junker in the garage that I got for free with some
equipment that I liked to buy, I had to take it all, so now
I not only have a 400V 3-phase variable speed drive but also
the motor that was driven with it.
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ian Hooper
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: High Current / Low Voltage Drive
On 03/03/2007, at 11:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
> It seems that fewer cells would simplify battery management. If taken
> to the extreme, a single cell battery pack would be the simplest. Two
> volts total and you would never have to worry about equalization.
>
> But it might be hard to find a 2 volt cell that could deliver ten
> thousand amps. And controllers capable of handling that current won't
> be common either...
Not so hard as you might think: http://www.thunder-sky.com/pdf/
200712715238.pdf
Tho the controller would be a problem, yeah. Obviously have to custom build
something. Some power MOSFETs can switch 100A continuous, so you'd need a
hundred of those.. I guess that's only a few grand worth.
> A not quite so extreme solution could be 4 cells. Still the pack
> would have to be able to provide thousands of amps, but this might be
> possible with lead-acid cells weighing hundreds of pounds each. For
> the controller you could go with a contactor setup. Two volts all
> parallel with a resistor for starting, then two volts no resistor,
> four volts series/parallel and finally all eight volts in series.
I'd predict your contactors would weld themselves together if you tried
switching that sort of current mechanically!
A whole lot of power MOSFETs should be able to handle it, or you might even
be able to find some kind of massive industrial IGBT for the job. This is
getting close: http://au.farnell.com/jsp/
endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=1208671
> The battery cables and contactors would have to be sized larger to
> carry the
> increased current, but this sounds possible. How about the motor?
> Where
> would you get a motor rated for 8 volts and thousands of amps?
> Maybe you
> could rewind a regular motor with thick wire and less turns? What
> about the commutator? The low voltage might keep the arcing down, but
> the voltage losses could be more than desirable. Perhaps a brushless
> motor would help?
I think all your cables/contactors/etc would need to be prohibitively
large..
How about just use a very beefy DC/DC converter to step up the battery
voltage, e.g from 8V 2000Ah to 160V 100Ah equivalence, then you could juse
use normal motors and controllers, with sensible cable sizes etc. It'd have
to be one heck of a big DC/DC converter though, maybe too hard to build.
Interesting concept..
-Ian
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I presume the reason the current is so low is that Eduardo uses
a current limited power supply, that is why the voltage fell so low.
It is very low indeed, you may have a shorted cell, but you will find
out once you have charged it for a long time and the current does not
fall or when you disconnect the voltage may fall back to 10V.
It may come back, it is hard to say at beforehand.
Success,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Massey
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Batt resurrecting
At 09:04 PM 2/03/07 -0300, Eduardo K. wrote:
>I know I am probably loosing my time, but I have a couple of nearly
>dead 17ah UPS AGMs. One is now at around 11volts and the other is around 7!
>
>I hooked up the reaaaally bad one to a small 12 volt power supply and
>something interesting is happening...
>
>It started taking in 100miliamps at 14 volts. Then, over the last hour
>amps are slowly going up and volts are going down. Its now at 350mamps
>and
>10.6 volts and volts are slowly going up again...
>
>Is that normal? Or just a sign of a very broken batt? (I just need them
>to test the controller and contactors)
G'day Eduardo
Very dead. High internal resistance initially so high power supply voltage.
As the cells take some charge the resistance falls and the current goes up,
but at 10.6 volts you are into the territory of 'flat' rather than 'dead'
battery voltage, so the current should be a lot higher.
Play with them, learn from them but don't expect to get too many amps or
amp-hours from them.
Hope this helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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Wouldn't it be better if there was more of a standard in how the different
types of batteries are named?
Lets see, there are lead acid, alkaline, lithium ion, lithium polymer,
vanadium redox, nickel metal hydride, etc. None of which follow much of a
naming convention that I can see.
It seems that there aren't that many characteristics in which batteries
differ. The ones that I can think of are:
1) Shape - round or square
2) Cathode material
3) Anode material
4) Electrolyte
5) Construction
6) Sealed or not
There are undoubtedly more ways to categorize them, but a standard naming
convention might help to make understanding the relationships between the
different types easier.
Bruce
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http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=50123
How We Roll: 1981 ComutaCar By: Meredyth Censullo
St. Petersburg, Florida Environmentally friendly drivers can
choose Hybrids to hit the highways, or Neighborhood Electric
Vehicles (NEVs) for community roads. But Cliff Ruffner of St.
Petersburg rolls in the pre-cursor to both of those options.
Sparky is Ruffners Comutacar. Produced in the late 1970s and
early 80s, the ComutaCar was billed as the "answer to the high
cost and shortage of gasoline." Ruffner found his on the auction
website Ebay.
Cliff Ruffner, Drives a 1981 Comutacar: "The car sold for
approximately $7,000 brand new in 1981. I paid about $1,800 for
the car, and probably put about that much into it also."
The 1400-pound car is powered by eight batteries and can travel
up to 30 miles before needing to be recharged. That allows
Ruffner to save on gas money, and cut down on harmful emissions.
Cliff Ruffner: "This car does run on electricity, and electricity
does come from a plant that generates pollution just like an
internal combustion engine. But it does not generate as much
pollution as the internal combustion engine."
Ruffner gets plenty of looks and comments when he drives Sparky
to the local coffee shop or grocery.
Cliff Ruffner: "A lot of people that drive SUVs come over and pat
me on the back and say you're doing a great job, keep it up and
then they get back in to their SUVs and drive away!"
But before those drivers can speed off, Ruffner tells them of
this:
Cliff Ruffner: "Only five percent of the electricity in the US is
generated with oil. So if people drove plug-in hybrid electric
vehicles or electric vehicles we would be off the oil standard
almost instantaneously.
You can read more about Ruffners experiences with Sparky the
Comutcar on the website hes created. A link is attached to the
story.
Meredyth Censullo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clean Cars Get a Jumpstart in PA
Published by Matt Reitman March 1st, 2007 in efficiency,
transportation, Corporate Responsibility, Clean Cars
Energy Justice Sponsors First Electric Car Conversion Workshop in
Eastern U.S.
While oil giant BP pretends theyre beyond petroleum, two
Pennsylvania-based grassroots groups are actually doing it.
Energy Justice Network and Bucks County Renewables are
co-sponsoring the first eastern U.S. workshop for converting used
cars to electric vehicles. Wind-generated electricity is a much
cheaper and more efficient auto fuel than any liquid fuel.
Starting July 31st, teachers enrolled at the 10-day course at
North Montco Technical Career Center near Philadelphia, PA will
convert a broken down 1985 Volkswagen Vanagon into a viable
electric vehicle. This is the start of an effort to develop a
base of knowledgeable mechanics who can do electric car
conversions in the east coast market.
The workshop will train auto tech teachers from the Greater
Philadelphia area, who will return to their classrooms and teach
their students in turn. Its a small start with 20 teachers, this
will seed formal training programs to equip the automotive
students of today with the skills to maintain the cars of
tomorrow.
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Pacific Mist Inn and Cabins of Mendocino Offer Whale Watchers
Festival Vacation Rental Home Special
Thu Mar 1, 2:01 AM ET
Celebrating the Whale Festivals in Mendocino, March 3, 4, 2007,
and in Fort Bragg March 17, 18, 2007, Pacific Mist Inn and Cabins
announced that throughout the month of March, they are offering a
special for travelers to the Mendocino Coast, if a guest books
any room or cabin for 2 nights, the third night is for free. With
some 20,000 gray whales migrating north from birthing grounds in
Mexico to their winter home in Alaska, there will be plenty of
whales to view along the northern California throughout the month
of March.
[...]
Pacific Mist can also help your arrange an appointment with a
certiified massage therapist or a ride in a new all electric car
or scooter in the Village of Mendocino. See www.zapworld.com.
For reservations go to www.pacificmistinn.com or call
1-800-955-6478. ### Pacific Mist Inn and Cabins of Mendocino
GARY STARR (707)937-1543
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Clientele Welcomed
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http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/car/278581563.html
93 BMW 740il - $5400
Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007-02-16, 3:31AM PST
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You may ask why am I selling such a great car... I do love the
car but I saw the movie, "Who killed the Electric Car" got mad at
the oil companies and bought a hybrid car. Call 614-946-4595
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Unveiling the Electric SUT with the Begleys
Filed under: green and famous, red carpet, transport, travel
summer @ 9:01 pm
Ecorazzi headed over to the Peterson Auto Museum in Los Angeles
yesterday to watch the unveiling of Phoenix Motorcars new Sport
Utility Truck. We ate hors d ouevres, checked out a cool car,
and definitely chatted it up with a few celebs on the green
carpet.
Of course we spoke with one of our faves, Ed Begley Jr., who was
co-hosting the event. Ecorazzi! We love you! Says Begley. He
was super excited to be introducing the latest and greatest
electric vehicle to the world, Ive been driving electric cars
since the 1970s but they were slow back then, they werent that
safe back then, didnt go that far back then, theyve come along
way. They were nothing like what we have today with this pickup
truck, it goes 90 mph, its fast, big cargo truck, seats five.
Its a terrific car, and the batteries will be lasting a long
time, maybe even longer than the car!
Begleys wife, Rachelle Carson, talked a little eco-fashion: Im
carrying a vegan purse, and I didnt have to sacrifice style. I
was going to wear a bamboo dress, but I just couldnt get the
rest of the outfit together. Rachel sported her Helen and Riegle
vegan purse with a sleek black suit, and an activist chic
camouflage tank with a rhinestone peace sign.
The very green and glam Daryl Hannah was cruising the event and
doing some work for her earth friendly vlog DH Love Life. She
tells Ecorazzi, Im doing a video blog on electric cares, Im
excited to drive it and shoot it, too.
It was the perfect event for us to meet Chris Paine, Director of
Who killed Electric Car. He attended with activist J. Karen
Thomas, both of whom were thrilled to see a new electric vehicle
on the market. The last time we came here, we saw the EV1 in the
basement. It was dead and we included in our movie. Were excited
to be here to see a real electric car that people can buy.
When the sheet was finally yanked off the truck, the VIP and
celebrity studded crowd flocked to get their hands on the wheel.
As Phoenix promised, it is a real car for real people, that can
carry a full load of passengers and payload, and still cruise
down highway 5. Plus, 45k doesnt sound too steep for a brand new
pimped out electric pickup! Seems that Phoenix Motorcars gets a
little help from their gas guzzling competitors in the auto
industry because P.M. makes zero emission vehicles they can
trade their emission credits to conventional automotive
manufacturers, which helps bring down the price of the truck.
Only a limited number of vehicles will be available to select
consumers in 2006 (the rest are going to be fleet cars). To be
considered for the truck, send your info to
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until 2008 when the consumer versions will hit the market. You
can also hit up their website here.
A special thanks to world traveling Rebecca Dadson for being our
super star green carpet razzi photographer.
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http://www.lebanon-express.com/articles/2007/03/02/news/regional/region03saturday.txt
OSU Saturday Academy set to start in March
Oregon State University offers Saturday Academy precollege
programs beginning in March.
Tuition assistance is available for nearly every class.
For more information, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
call, 541-737-8139 or go to http://academy.engr.oregonstate.edu.
A dozen classes are scheduled in science, math, art and more.
Youngsters will have an opportunity to extract DNA from everyday
foods and test them for genetically-engineered material; try
their hand at netting salmon; and help Hewlett-Packard's electric
vehicle racing TEAMeV modify one of their vehicles.
Tuition varies from $25 to $85, depending on the class.
Class times differ per course. Some classes meet once and some
more than once.
Classes have varying age requirements, though all are aimed at
students in the sixth grade or higher.
Classes will be held on the OSU campus, with some exceptions,
including locations in Newport, Independence and Sweet Home.
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Du Quoin Takes First Vote on New Ordinances
Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:00 PM CST
DU QUOIN - The Du Quoin City Council Monday placed on public
display an ordinance that would permit the use of Neighborhood
Electric Vehicles within the corporate limits of Du Quoin. The
electric powered vehicles look like overgrown golf carts and are
fully equipped with lighting and safety devices. Some communities
use the vehicles for shuttles. Under the ordinance, which still
faces a lot of discussion, the vehicles would be allowed to
operate in neighborhoods where the speed limit is no more than 35
miles per hour. They cannot operate on any roadway under any
jurisdiction outside the city, including the county and IDOT. The
ordinance is a work in progress and discussions are ongoing.
The council also approved ordinances which would forbid vehicles
being left on public streets for more than 72 consecutive hours;
approved an ordinance giving new definition to abandoned
vehicles; and approved an ordinance forbidding the burning of any
refuse, grass, leaves or other material commonly referred to as
yard waste on any property other than the property upon which
it is generated. That ordinance is aimed at commercial lawn care
firms. --John H. Croessman
Copyright © 2007 Du Quoin Evening Call
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Press Release Source: Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc.
Thursday March 1, 8:30 am ET
Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc. Signs Contract to Supply PLI
Battery Cells for Electric Sanitation Trucks for 2008 Olympics
HARBIN, CHINA--(MARKET WIRE)--Mar 1, 2007 -- Advanced Battery
Technologies, Inc. , a developer and manufacturer of
rechargeable Polymer-Lithium-Ion ("PLI") batteries, announced
today that it has signed a sales contract with Beijing Guoqiang
Global Technology Development Co., Ltd. ("BGTDC") to supply a
total of 3,000 sets of PLI battery cell packs for use in 3,000
electric garbage trucks specially designed for the 2008 Olympics
Games. This contract when fully executed is worth RMB 81,000,000
or about $10,000,000. The first batch of 200 sets of PLI battery
cell packs shall be delivered no later than the 20th workday in
May 2007.The balance of the order shall be delivered on 15 day
increments upon notice by the buyer, which will continue until
the completion of this contract or within one year from February
25, 2007.
According to BGTDC, these all-electric sanitation trucks will be
showcased for the 2008 Olympics Games by the Beijing Olympics
Committee and will feature a permanent magnetic brushless DC
motor, powered by the Company's proprietary PLI battery cells.
Mr. Zhiguo Fu, Chairman of Advance Battery Technologies,
commented that, "This contract is not only economically
significant for our Company, but also shall help create public
awareness of this sector of our proprietary battery technology
and its applications within the heavy vehicle market."
About Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc.
Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc., founded in September 2002,
develops, manufactures, and distributes rechargeable Polymer
Lithium-Ion (PLI) batteries. The Company's products include PLI
batteries for electric vehicles, mine-use lamps, cell phones,
notebook computers, and other personal electronic devices. The
Company's batteries combine high-energy chemistry with state of
the art polymer technology to overcome many of the shortcomings
associated with other types of rechargeable batteries. The PLI
battery for use in all-electric vehicles is developed using the
Company's proprietary technologies. The Company's R&D and
manufacturing facilities are located in China and it maintains an
office in New York City.
For more information about Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc.
please visit www.abat.com.cn.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation
Reform Act of 1995
This news release contains forward-looking statements [...]
Contact: Lynne Lu 21 W 39th Street New York, NY 10018
Tel.(212)391-2752 Source: Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc.
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