EV Digest 6566
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: wall to road efficiency
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Sequential battery charging
by "Roger Daisley @ R J Ranch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) URGENT Request....Washington State
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Moving right along. . .
by Sam Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Motor choice for a Fiat 500 project
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Sequential battery charging
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Moment TV
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) This would make a great movie.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: This would make a great movie.
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: wall to road efficiency
by John Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EZGO motor
by "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EZGO motor
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Some thoughts on the relative operation costs of EVs and ICEs.
>
> 1. I don't think it tells us much to hear anecdotal reports of people
> driving ICEVs for 150,000 miles (or whatever) and spending $32.56 on
> repairs. Such reports have no statistical meaning. The same vehicle
> could
> have a $1500 failure next week.
It's also not fair to compare the prices of paying someone to work on your
ICE vs doing your own repairs on an EV.
Labor is labor.
Also, assuming automakers actually MADE EVs, they'd design them to wear
out just as fast as ICEs and need just as much (if not more) maintenance.
They'd also make them as hard, or harder, to work on, preventing the home
mechanic from working on them, just like they are trying to do with the
newer ICEs.
The fact is you can't really draw ANY real conclusion about which has
lower maintenance costs because they can (and do) vary so widely.
Plus, basically there aren't ANY OEM EVs available to compare.
FWIW many new ICEs come with 70,000 to 100,000 mile waranties and in my
town just about all new ICEs come with free oilchanges for life. That
make maintenance costs VERY low. Competition is a wonderful thing.
>
> 2. If you do all your own work on your vehicles, your comparison will be
> invalid for the person who hires all the work done on his. Labor and
> parts
> markup is a principal factor.
>
> 3. Costs to maintain ICEs made 10 years ago can't be compared to costs for
> current ICEs. While it's true that maintenance intervals are now much
> longer, spare parts costs - and the labor required to replace them - have
> gone through the roof. They may be cheap to drive for 100,000 miles, but
> wait until you see what it costs to drive them 250,000 miles before you
> declare them the victors in this race.
>
> 4. The automakers really, really want a couple of things - first, they
> want
> you to use their expensive dealer service departments; and second, they
> want
> you to replace the vehicle in 10 years or less.
>
> 5. There's no avoiding a simple fact - an EV drive system has a fraction
> of
> the moving parts that an ICE drive has. With all the electronics in the
> modern ICE, it has little if any advantage over a comparably equipped EV.
> If produced in comparable quantity, and refined to a comparable degree,
> the
> EV eventually almost >has< to win out in overall reliability and ownership
> cost.
>
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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There seems to be several possible solutions to keeping the battery pack in
balance i.e., add-on balancers, "touching up" low batteries, from
time-to-time, etc. It would seem to me that it would not be too difficult to
design a sequential charging system: You start with a single, high quality
charger that will safely charge a single battery. Next you design into the
charger an output trigger that once the battery under charge reaches a
certain set point, it triggers a circuit that will transfer the charger
output to the next battery. Then, in sequence, the charger charges or
maintains each battery in the pack. In theory, after one or two trips
through the battery pack, all batteries will be charged and balanced about
as well as possible.
Obviously this type of charge system will work best for overnight charging
when the available time for charging is sufficient to cover all batteries
and not for the case where you want to "plug-in" for a quickie refill.
Have I missed something in past discussions?
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Congratulations Otmar! Finally, a truthful fact
filled discussion on the past, present, and future of
electrics. Too bad Otmar may migrate to a new career
in television and media relations.
Ed, Ryan, Randy, Jay, John, Don, Robert, Lou, and
staff
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--- Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second that! That was one of the most
> enjoyable interviews I've watched about the subject
> in a long time. Otmar you're a great ambassador.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jukka Järvinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
> Nice job Otmar !
> You really can see when someone ACTUALLY knows about
> EVs and tech
> regarding.... A nice change in publicly showing
> videos. 8)
> -Jukka
>
> Mike Willmon kirjoitti:
> > Most excellent. Great interview Otmar!
> >
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> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Behalf Of Roderick Wilde
> >> Subject: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
> >> Here is a great new video featuring Otmar:
> >> http://www.peakmoment.tv/conversations/52.html
> >> Roderick Wilde
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House Bill 1820 is Half Way Home....
To allow NEV's a New Medium Speed Status...
Now it is up to us to (dont like the phrase but..) STAY THE COURSE
Go to this web site to get UP to Speed on how you can help.
http://www.housebill1820.com/id3.html
and the Home Page for the Bill at:
http://www.housebill1820.com/index.html
It will tell you all you want to know
Thanks .... " and may ALL EV's go 35 mph or FASTER !!"
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Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
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Eve: 206 524-1351
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I have so many different versions of what the battery performance specs
are suppose to be, that I'm not going to even type them here, and
that's one reason I had for testing. Your version of the specs is the
one they tell the shareholders, apparently, and for one thing I was
told a much higher discharge than 200 amps by their "chief scientist",
Veselin Manev.
Again, my experience does not "prove" there is fraudulence here. More
of a "beyond reasonable doubt" situation.
Free batteries? Sure, I'd love some, but I wasn't going to get to keep
them anyway.
In response to Mr. Gabrielsons insights, I make no bones that I do not
hide behind a corporate veil with a pretty website and a PR department.
Objective testing isn't about making the picture look good, it's about
accurately measuring results and reporting the truth about what you
find. Your insights are completely valid regarding the credibility of
my appearance, but I was up front about who I am to Altairnano from the
beginning, and it's a bit of a mystery why they engaged me in the first
place and wasted both of our times if they had a problem with my lack
of a corporate structure.
I would gladly wear the of "raving lunatic" if it meant somebody made a
breakthrough in an affordable, high performance energy storage and/or
generation system that could power our vehicles in a sustainable,
planet friendly way.
I hope I have answered all of your questions, and I really need to be
done with the Altairnano issue. We'll just see what happens, meanwhile
let's don't hang our hopes on this one and continue to look at other
realistic possibilites, and focus our resources on concepts with
technical and scientific promise, not corporate growth incentive.
-S
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Subject: RE: Altairnano Ultimatum
From: Ray Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, March 16, 2007 11:04 pm
To: [email protected]
I thought I would chime in here since I am a Altairnano shareholder.
>From a shareholder's perspective, the company is past the early testing
stage and needs to show they can deliver a good commercial product.
They need to work with Phoenix, UQM, ALCOA, AES and other partners to
get the products to market and show a profit to shareholders. Some
shareholders and investors have waited a long time to see results so if
I were Altair, I would have politely said "I'm sorry but we cannot
accomodate your needs at this time". It would be wrong of them to just
keep dragging things on as you are clearly not at the top of their
priority list.
If anyone is interested, they can listen to the latest shareholders
conference call (March 8th, 2007) at
http://www.altairnano.com/investors.html
The specs for their Altair batteries are
2.3V
11AH
200 amp discharge
25.3wh energy
125wh/l energy density
75wh/kg specific energy
20,000 cycles
-40 to +75 deg C rating
I too would love to get a free test pack.
EZESPORT
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Hey Finn, all
--- Finn John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everybody. I've heard mention of 6.7" motors that
> can be picked up relatively inexpensively. Would
> something like that be appropriate for a Fiat 500
> conversion project? (That's the tiny air-cooled Fiat
> that looks like a shrinky-dink Beetle, as I bet
> almost all of you know, but just in case ...)
First off, when you hear people talking about motor
sizes like 6.7, 7, 8, 9, 11, and monster 13's it's in
reference to the motors diameter. That really doesn't
tell you the whole story being those same diametered
motors come in different lengths (not to mention
windings).
Motors in the 6.7" sizes are very common and come in
hundreds of flavors. They start at about 10" in
length using just 4 brushes and weighing about 50 lbs.
to motors like the L91-4003 which is something like
15" and uses 8 brushes at around 90 lbs. Being I'm
not at the shop I'm just using rough numbers from
memory to illustrate that not all motors in a set
diameter size will do the same job.
Looking at an electric motor there are a number of
things to concider. First is how much workload can it
do, then how long can it do it before it heats up to
much, and then how long can it do that repeatedly day
after day.
For fun, I'm gonna compare a "motor" to "me" for a
very simple look at how I see motors and their uses.
I'm a fairly small guy, 150 lbs. (wet, hehe). I can
take an empty wheelbarrow and run all over my backyard
all day without breaking a sweat, I'm not doing alot
of work but my duty cycle is all day, this is like a
13" in a small car.
Now load it with a hundred pounds of dirt and I not
only can't push it as fast but I have to stop and take
breaks a lot more often as I begin to peter out and
get hot, this is more like a 9" in a big car.
Load that wheelbarrow with 2000 lbs. of gold (hey I
can dream, hehe) and well I'll pop a nut just trying
to pick it up, and even if I could lift it I'm not
going very far, LMAO! This is like a small 6.7 in a
Hummer!
Let's go back to the dirt loaded wheelbarrow. Even
though I get tired and hot and have lets say my daily
duty cycle of work I do on any given day I can rest
and eat and do it again tomorrow. Now after 30 or 40
years moving that sucker around I start to wear out,
my back hurts, my muscles aren't as strong (insulation
in a motor) and eventualy I burn out and die (where a
new dirt hauler throws his load on top of me, LMAO.)
Anyway that's a simple look at motor sizes and both
short and long term duty cycles.
So when I hear stuff like "will a 6.7" do "X" job I
think well which one. The only 6.7 that I'd recommend
for a full sized car would be the L91-4003, the others
just don't have to mass to do the job. You could wind
a slot car motor for 200 volts, don't mean you can
throw it into your conversion, hehe.
Even on a 7" motor they really need to be blower
cooled to increase their duty cycle for most peoples
needs. Marko uses a 7" on his Fiat, "Fiamp" but it
gets pretty hot and I wouldn't advise anything
smaller.
Anyway if you're off to the scrap yard to hunt up a
motor look for something in that 100lb. + size with 8
brushes and not a smaller palletjack 50lb. 4 brush
6.7" sized motor.
> How fast might I be able to whip something like that
> along? I'm still in planning stages for a commuter
> EV. (I've ditched the idea of converting my Jaguar,
> in case anyone's wondering ...)
First off, good choice not doing the Jag! Lighter is
better when looking at converting. Second, practice
makes perfect. There are people here on the list that
could work them up very fast, while others might take
years to complete theirs. Budgets and skills dictate
this in huge ways.
> Also was wondering if any of y'all could recommend a
> good book I can obtain to learn some of the basics
> of this, so I can avoid bothering you with dumb
> questions. (Hopefully the above wasn't one.) When it
> comes to this stuff, I'm a real greenhorn.
Just last week there was a thread "reading material"
that was going on here so just check the archieves.
A great place to see actual conversions is the EV
photo album so have a look there for some really great
examples of what people are using in not only motor
sizes but batteries and other componants.
Anyway welcome to the EVDL, hope this helps. Continue
to ask questions so that when you do complete yours
you'll be a happy EV'er and not "just" an EVer 8^)
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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From: Roger Daisley @ R J Ranch
> It would seem to me that it would not be too difficult to
> design a sequential charging system: You start with a single,
> high quality charger that will safely charge a single battery.
> Next you design into the charger an output trigger that once the
> battery under charge reaches a certain set point, it triggers a
> circuit that will transfer the charger output to the next battery.
> Then, in sequence, the charger charges or maintains each battery
> in the pack.
Yes; that's exactly where I started with my Battery Balancer. It has a small,
high-quality charger (a Vicor Batmod), a set of relays to connect it to any
battery, and a simple controller that uses it to sequentially charge each
battery.
Over the years, many refinements have been added.
- It takes too long to charge an entire pack this way; so there
is also a fast dumb bulk charger to do 90% of the work, that
charges all batteries in series.
- You want the small charger to scan more quickly, adding a little
charge to each battery in turn, just so the whole pack stays
close to the same state of charge in case you need to drive
before enough time has elapsed to finish charging them all.
- You'd like a display, to know which battery is being charged,
and how far it has progressed.
- There are related "system" functions, like measuring battery
temperature, or controlling battery heaters or fans that were
added.
Put this all together, and you have my Battery Balancer!
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Lee Hart
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>> I'll second that! That was one of the most enjoyable interviews
>> I've watched about the subject in a long time. Otmar you're a
>> great ambassador.
> I'll third that...
Motion carried! Otmar is elected EV ambassador by a unanimous vote. :-)
What is so great about this is the shear reasonableness of it all. No wide-eyed
naivete, or fantatical tree-hugging, or ranting or raving. Both interviewer and
interviewee come across as completely normal, rational people; not talking
heads after a sensationalist spin, or someone trying to "sell" something. What
a refreshing change!
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Lee Hart
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I apologize for pushing the M key twice and misspelling moment. It was after
midnight when I posted and I was a bit tired. Otmar is not on this list so I
have been forwarding all of your messages to him. I am quite sure he
appreciates all of the positive feedback. I do agree that this is one of the
most rational EV videos I have watched. Oat is a great ambassador for us
all. My hat is off to him. I hope you will all forward this video to all the
members in your local EV associations as well as to members of the press. I
have forwarded it to my friends and acquaintances in Croatia as well as
Ireland, Italy, New Zealand, Russia, England, Finland, Portugal, Costa Rica,
Slovakia, France, Sweden, Malta, and Belgium as well as posting it to the
Seattle Electric Vehicle Association and the Electric Vehicles UK List. Let
us spread the message all over this tiny planet we call home!
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
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From: "Frank John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
I'll second that! That was one of the most enjoyable interviews I've
watched about the subject in a long time. Otmar you're a great ambassador.
I'll third that, too.Now IF we could put stuff like this together for a
Who Killed the Electric Car "reply" movie, or something like that. JW you
havent been hit up, yet, by these guyz? Then a Tesla shop visit? Lottsa good
stuff out there to do a show on. A few Racing Shots in the program, too.
Gotta love You Tube, best thing to happen to TV in years. We are getting the
word out on line!
Seeya
Bob
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From: Jukka Järvinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:58:53 AM
Subject: Re: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
Nice job Otmar !
You really can see when someone ACTUALLY knows about EVs and tech
regarding.... A nice change in publicly showing videos. 8)
-Jukka
Mike Willmon kirjoitti:
> Most excellent. Great interview Otmar!
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Roderick Wilde
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:13 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Otmar Ebenhoech on Peak Momment TV
>>
>>
>> Here is a great new video featuring Otmar:
>> http://www.peakmoment.tv/conversations/52.html
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>>
>>
>
>
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Some of you might call this political. Some might be really mad about the
content. I was entertained. If you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM this
puts it all together. It starts out like a typical
electric_vehiclesforsale.com rant and goes way beyond. Enjoy.
2 year long investigation into who killed the electric car
Posted by: "hghrgold" [EMAIL PROTECTED] hghrgold
Date: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:22 pm ((PDT))
My 2 year investigation on who killed the electric car has been
solved. Coming from a family of electricial techs this was
personal.
Filling up on 2 bucks of electricity and driving 150 miles or filling
up on $20 bucks of gas and driving 150 miles. the ev would save
millions of people across america billions every year.
Why destroy mankinds latest discovered freedom and force hard working
americans to slave for the oil companies? Goes beyond greed to pure
evil.
8 of the top 10 corporations in the world are owned or controlled by
oil company execs or affiliates. The auto companies major stock
holders are oil company affiliated thus controll what kind of cars
are made. . they own the stinkin planet because millions of happy
motorists fill their tank with gasoline every day instead of
electricity. This is unbelivable as most people dont even realize
their power. Who are the oilies? They are made up of the high level
masons and the Illumiati group which are most all demon worshipers.
This includes many prescription drug & food companies and the world
bank. read the healing codes for the biological apocolypse by Len
Horowitz availbale on amazon.com ... lots more info there than you
will ever need.
This is how Satans army is finianced. Thru oil and gas sales as god
gave satan dominion over the lower heavens which means underground
earth. That is where the black gold is located.
Here is the other piece of the puzzle.
SAtan also has dominion over outer space.
This next part is where it gets real weird! REading on is like
taking the red pill similiar to the movie the Matrix, to see just
how far the rabbit hole goes. Well, I warned you.
Is the following science fiction or fact? REad it for entertainment
and education purposes and then make a choice. I believe it to be
truth or close enough.
Since The Roswell saucer crash in the 40,s the grey aliens have been
working with the government and now america has flying saucers that
the military flies from area 51. plus there are joint alien human
underground bases in america and worldwide plus on the moon. Tunnels
criss cross america with high speed trains all finianced by the
taxpayers and the rats in DC wont let us know the truth..
most all the saucers reported in the skies are manned by government
personeel and they fly to the moon. america has reversed engineered
most of them.
What the government does not know is that the grey alien and the
repetilians they do business with are actually fallen angels and
their offspring, the nephillian greys. These aliens can easily
controll their small human brains if they so desire.
Millions of years ago angels lived on earth and mars and had great
cities. Atlantis was one of them. The angels have thriving
civilizations and cities, castles and trading partners. Inventions
beyond your wildest dreams. The angels created the dinosaurs and
cavemen and america was their zoo as they watched from Atlantis and
toured America the zoo in their flying saucers and admired their
creations. They tried to create humans and the cave man was the
closest they came. Only God was able to create mankind in his image.
When the angels rebelled and started ignoring god and worshipping
Lucifier aka Satan, God destroyed Atlantis and all the great cities
of the Angels on Earth and Mars. 2/3 of the angels went back to
heaven and 1/3 rebelled with Satan. as punishment God wont allow
them in heaven and chained the nasty ones in the pit 800 miles below
the surface. Many that he let go he crossed their dna with reptiles
so they are called reptillian since they look the part... other
angels got crossed between bats, creating vampires, some horses. and
fish.
angels can't reproduce without human females to impregnate. Trying to
populate the galaxy The reptillian captured human females and
impregnated them or stole their eggs and produced test tube babies
and the greys were born. The greys are the offspring of human women
and reptilian fallen angels. The reptillians can now manipulate dna
so their offspring look human. no more greys as they produce human
looking nephillians. REptillians can possess human bodies also thru
satanic rites..plus shape shift to human form...Take George Bush and
Dick cheney for instance..Ole cheneys huge bulging lit up always on
eyes look like a lizards eyes cause they are most likely part lizard.
Al Gore looked human before going to England, upon his return he had
those big lizard eyes. Some reptillian devil has a new Al Gore suit.
Ole Gore musta pissed them off with all the whinning about global
warming. Gonna miss the guy as i thought he was cool.
God is furious at this abomination of his creation as is the reason
jesus is returning to stop it.
The greys have been trading hi tech inventions of all sorts so the
government will allow them to live underground and do their
expirments on humans. The greys have been capturing tens of
thousands of americans yearly and the government cant stop them cause
the government has been infiltrated by aliens. Idiots at the
pentagon dont realize what they are messing with is pure evil here to
overthrow america they look the other way and take their blood
money..
Many fallen angels called the nordics retained their good looks
when god expelled them from heaven for seducing human females and
creating giant offspring. Angels fall from Heaven even today and are
a big source of trouble on the planet.
In the days of Noah god flooded the earth to kill all
the nephillian giants cause millions of the giants were slaughtering
humans and eating them for food when the crops failed. The dead
giants were forced to prowl the earth as demons until the time of
judgement. Thus demons are not fallen angels they are the dead
nephillian or giants. Angels don't die. The book of enoch details
this and was left out of the bible. Pick up a copy of the book of
enoch on amazon.com and learn all about heaven, most inspiring book
ever written. Thru dna manipulation the giantism gene was removed
and created today what we call x men or star children. Half human
half angel creations with super powers. Wonder how many Hollywood
stars are actually Star children?
DNA tests should reveal the truth if you know what to look for. The
survivors of Atlantis & Nordics are reported to live in underground
cities under Mount Shasta in far northern California and in caverns
in mid earth and on other planets in the solar system and orions
belt.
God destroyed earth and destroyed the Angels creation around the time
the dinosaurs were wiped out. approx 60 million years later god re-
created the earth and created mankind. that was approx 6 thousand
years ago.
These angels are immortal & millions of years old and way beyong
humans in learning and education and they are living here in America
running the government and corporations cause they are smarter than
humans..they look like humans except for those cold spacey eyes as
they manipulate humans like pets and like cattle. Humans are an
inferior species to the fallen angels, a species they enjoy
manipulating as they coax us into wars and into killing one
another for profit. If they can keep us in sin they keep us away
from God and our award of Heaven and eternal life.
God also has millions of good Angels that he sends to help mankind.
God will not interfere in human affairs unless you pray to him thru
Jesus to send his good angels to protect and help you. They will
haul the bad angels to the pit in some cases so they are gone for
good. This is the only way to overcome the misery on Earth
The reptillians are part of satans army that is taking over Earth
for the last 7 years. God is allowing satan and his demons to rule
earth for the last 7 years and then he will toss them all into the
pit and let Jesus and the decipiles rule earth for 1000 years. we
are now more than 2 years into the last 7 years. the last 3 & 1/2 are
the most horrible as god lifts his hand and allows the serpents out
of the pit.
The old babylon was in Iraq, the new babylon is America. read last
chapter of the bible on how babylon is destroyed before the battle of
armegeddon. america will be destroyed since it allowed the aliens to
live here and kill millions of humans for expirments which will
happen in the next few years unless we do something to change what
will happen.
America is destroyed in 1 hour and just before jesus returns and
starts the battle of armegeddon. dec 21, 2012 is the last day
according to most reports.
Truth or fiction, you be the judge as i am only a reporter telling
folks what info i have uncovered.
www.sherryshriner.com has the other pieces of the puzzle. and is
where i learned most of the info above. Sherry, a decentdant of King
David, the giant killer. got all the info directly from her talks
with God. As god knows all. Sherry says Gods name is YahWeh. i would
say the name in reverence and respect if you want to stay on his good
side.
Just when things got boaring a little investigating creates pure
adrenelin level excitement.
Good Luck & May God Bless,
Tom
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Lawrence, you've gone way over the top with this post. It also scares the
heck out of me to know that there are people like this out there that have
not been locked up yet.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>; "SFEVA"
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: This would make a great movie.
Some of you might call this political. Some might be really mad about the
content. I was entertained. If you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM this
puts it all together. It starts out like a typical
electric_vehiclesforsale.com rant and goes way beyond. Enjoy.
2 year long investigation into who killed the electric car
Posted by: "hghrgold" [EMAIL PROTECTED] hghrgold
Date: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:22 pm ((PDT))
My 2 year investigation on who killed the electric car has been
solved. Coming from a family of electricial techs this was
personal.
Filling up on 2 bucks of electricity and driving 150 miles or filling
up on $20 bucks of gas and driving 150 miles. the ev would save
millions of people across america billions every year.
Why destroy mankinds latest discovered freedom and force hard working
americans to slave for the oil companies? Goes beyond greed to pure
evil.
8 of the top 10 corporations in the world are owned or controlled by
oil company execs or affiliates. The auto companies major stock
holders are oil company affiliated thus controll what kind of cars
are made. . they own the stinkin planet because millions of happy
motorists fill their tank with gasoline every day instead of
electricity. This is unbelivable as most people dont even realize
their power. Who are the oilies? They are made up of the high level
masons and the Illumiati group which are most all demon worshipers.
This includes many prescription drug & food companies and the world
bank. read the healing codes for the biological apocolypse by Len
Horowitz availbale on amazon.com ... lots more info there than you
will ever need.
This is how Satans army is finianced. Thru oil and gas sales as god
gave satan dominion over the lower heavens which means underground
earth. That is where the black gold is located.
Here is the other piece of the puzzle.
SAtan also has dominion over outer space.
This next part is where it gets real weird! REading on is like
taking the red pill similiar to the movie the Matrix, to see just
how far the rabbit hole goes. Well, I warned you.
Is the following science fiction or fact? REad it for entertainment
and education purposes and then make a choice. I believe it to be
truth or close enough.
Since The Roswell saucer crash in the 40,s the grey aliens have been
working with the government and now america has flying saucers that
the military flies from area 51. plus there are joint alien human
underground bases in america and worldwide plus on the moon. Tunnels
criss cross america with high speed trains all finianced by the
taxpayers and the rats in DC wont let us know the truth..
most all the saucers reported in the skies are manned by government
personeel and they fly to the moon. america has reversed engineered
most of them.
What the government does not know is that the grey alien and the
repetilians they do business with are actually fallen angels and
their offspring, the nephillian greys. These aliens can easily
controll their small human brains if they so desire.
Millions of years ago angels lived on earth and mars and had great
cities. Atlantis was one of them. The angels have thriving
civilizations and cities, castles and trading partners. Inventions
beyond your wildest dreams. The angels created the dinosaurs and
cavemen and america was their zoo as they watched from Atlantis and
toured America the zoo in their flying saucers and admired their
creations. They tried to create humans and the cave man was the
closest they came. Only God was able to create mankind in his image.
When the angels rebelled and started ignoring god and worshipping
Lucifier aka Satan, God destroyed Atlantis and all the great cities
of the Angels on Earth and Mars. 2/3 of the angels went back to
heaven and 1/3 rebelled with Satan. as punishment God wont allow
them in heaven and chained the nasty ones in the pit 800 miles below
the surface. Many that he let go he crossed their dna with reptiles
so they are called reptillian since they look the part... other
angels got crossed between bats, creating vampires, some horses. and
fish.
angels can't reproduce without human females to impregnate. Trying to
populate the galaxy The reptillian captured human females and
impregnated them or stole their eggs and produced test tube babies
and the greys were born. The greys are the offspring of human women
and reptilian fallen angels. The reptillians can now manipulate dna
so their offspring look human. no more greys as they produce human
looking nephillians. REptillians can possess human bodies also thru
satanic rites..plus shape shift to human form...Take George Bush and
Dick cheney for instance..Ole cheneys huge bulging lit up always on
eyes look like a lizards eyes cause they are most likely part lizard.
Al Gore looked human before going to England, upon his return he had
those big lizard eyes. Some reptillian devil has a new Al Gore suit.
Ole Gore musta pissed them off with all the whinning about global
warming. Gonna miss the guy as i thought he was cool.
God is furious at this abomination of his creation as is the reason
jesus is returning to stop it.
The greys have been trading hi tech inventions of all sorts so the
government will allow them to live underground and do their
expirments on humans. The greys have been capturing tens of
thousands of americans yearly and the government cant stop them cause
the government has been infiltrated by aliens. Idiots at the
pentagon dont realize what they are messing with is pure evil here to
overthrow america they look the other way and take their blood
money..
Many fallen angels called the nordics retained their good looks
when god expelled them from heaven for seducing human females and
creating giant offspring. Angels fall from Heaven even today and are
a big source of trouble on the planet.
In the days of Noah god flooded the earth to kill all
the nephillian giants cause millions of the giants were slaughtering
humans and eating them for food when the crops failed. The dead
giants were forced to prowl the earth as demons until the time of
judgement. Thus demons are not fallen angels they are the dead
nephillian or giants. Angels don't die. The book of enoch details
this and was left out of the bible. Pick up a copy of the book of
enoch on amazon.com and learn all about heaven, most inspiring book
ever written. Thru dna manipulation the giantism gene was removed
and created today what we call x men or star children. Half human
half angel creations with super powers. Wonder how many Hollywood
stars are actually Star children?
DNA tests should reveal the truth if you know what to look for. The
survivors of Atlantis & Nordics are reported to live in underground
cities under Mount Shasta in far northern California and in caverns
in mid earth and on other planets in the solar system and orions
belt.
God destroyed earth and destroyed the Angels creation around the time
the dinosaurs were wiped out. approx 60 million years later god re-
created the earth and created mankind. that was approx 6 thousand
years ago.
These angels are immortal & millions of years old and way beyong
humans in learning and education and they are living here in America
running the government and corporations cause they are smarter than
humans..they look like humans except for those cold spacey eyes as
they manipulate humans like pets and like cattle. Humans are an
inferior species to the fallen angels, a species they enjoy
manipulating as they coax us into wars and into killing one
another for profit. If they can keep us in sin they keep us away
from God and our award of Heaven and eternal life.
God also has millions of good Angels that he sends to help mankind.
God will not interfere in human affairs unless you pray to him thru
Jesus to send his good angels to protect and help you. They will
haul the bad angels to the pit in some cases so they are gone for
good. This is the only way to overcome the misery on Earth
The reptillians are part of satans army that is taking over Earth
for the last 7 years. God is allowing satan and his demons to rule
earth for the last 7 years and then he will toss them all into the
pit and let Jesus and the decipiles rule earth for 1000 years. we
are now more than 2 years into the last 7 years. the last 3 & 1/2 are
the most horrible as god lifts his hand and allows the serpents out
of the pit.
The old babylon was in Iraq, the new babylon is America. read last
chapter of the bible on how babylon is destroyed before the battle of
armegeddon. america will be destroyed since it allowed the aliens to
live here and kill millions of humans for expirments which will
happen in the next few years unless we do something to change what
will happen.
America is destroyed in 1 hour and just before jesus returns and
starts the battle of armegeddon. dec 21, 2012 is the last day
according to most reports.
Truth or fiction, you be the judge as i am only a reporter telling
folks what info i have uncovered.
www.sherryshriner.com has the other pieces of the puzzle. and is
where i learned most of the info above. Sherry, a decentdant of King
David, the giant killer. got all the info directly from her talks
with God. As god knows all. Sherry says Gods name is YahWeh. i would
say the name in reverence and respect if you want to stay on his good
side.
Just when things got boaring a little investigating creates pure
adrenelin level excitement.
Good Luck & May God Bless,
Tom
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No argument about the personal goals Randii. I like to go racing, which
has quite a bit of negative environmental impact, though a small
percentage in the aggregate national mix. So going 120 with one knee on
the ground (used) to get my adrenaline flowing. I'm retired from it
unfortunately.
Nevertheless a big goal of nations the world over is to get greener
vehicles on the road ASAP. I have to say one surprise of reading the
list is the lack of treehugger attitude. I supposed that getting off
polluting, war-creating petrol was the primary goal. It's interesting to
find tinkering is as motivating or more so. On further consideration I
should have expected as much, since treehugging won't get you through
the hassles of rolling yer own, where love of tinkering will put people
in space.
chacon son gout.
Randy Burleson wrote:
...I think the reliability question is a red herring.
The big goal is to get greener vehicles on the road.
Who sets the goals?
My goals are increased fun behind the wheel, decreased driving cost, and
green runs a distant third... perhaps a fourth, behind
learning/experimenting.
Different people, different motivators.
Viva le difference'!
Randii
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I finally got my EZ-GO 6" Advanced DC series motor this week. It took a
month for me to get it after ordering on eBay. Long sad story (from the
seller)
I knew what I was getting into when I bought this motor so I'm not going to
say "oh I didn't know it would be hard to get it running", but what I'm
looking for is a bit of advice from someone who knows a bit more about these
motors. If you look at the pictures:
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor3.JPG>
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor2.JPG>
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor1.JPG>
You will notice that the piece with the inside spline looks like it's not
part of the main shaft. In fact it really couldn't be based on the cold-saw
cuts on the shaft (at the bottom of the spline)
It also looks like it was heated up when pressed onto the shaft (see
motor3.JPG)
My question to the more mechanically inclined people is: How do you think
this is attached to the shaft of the motor?
Do you think I can pull it off or should I leave it on there?
The way I see it, I have two options for mechanically connecting to the
motor:
Find something with a 19 tooth spline that measures about 0.834 diameter
Turn a (round) stub shaft that fits into the spline hole and tig weld it
(making it go out of round?)
Here are a few measurements I made:
Inside case diameter: 5.85"
Hole-hole (center-center) distance: 4.375"
Case thickness: 0.435"
Depth from edge of case to field windings: 0.395"
Outside diameter of shaft: 1.35"
Length of shaft from end to rotor laminations: 1.785"
Length of spline cut: 0.900"
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Martin Klingensmith
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These splined inserts are pressed into the shaft. You should be able to
remove it with a puller and a little heat. They routinely strip out after
much use. Here is a picture of the replacement part:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=511&product_id=342
Here is a motor end plate that you may be able to machine to fit a GE. I do
not know as I have not tried it. You should talk to Jim at High Torque.
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
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From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: EZGO motor
I finally got my EZ-GO 6" Advanced DC series motor this week. It took a
month for me to get it after ordering on eBay. Long sad story (from the
seller)
I knew what I was getting into when I bought this motor so I'm not going
to
say "oh I didn't know it would be hard to get it running", but what I'm
looking for is a bit of advice from someone who knows a bit more about
these
motors. If you look at the pictures:
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor3.JPG>
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor2.JPG>
<http://walfstream/~martin/motor1.JPG>
You will notice that the piece with the inside spline looks like it's not
part of the main shaft. In fact it really couldn't be based on the
cold-saw
cuts on the shaft (at the bottom of the spline)
It also looks like it was heated up when pressed onto the shaft (see
motor3.JPG)
My question to the more mechanically inclined people is: How do you think
this is attached to the shaft of the motor?
Do you think I can pull it off or should I leave it on there?
The way I see it, I have two options for mechanically connecting to the
motor:
Find something with a 19 tooth spline that measures about 0.834 diameter
Turn a (round) stub shaft that fits into the spline hole and tig weld it
(making it go out of round?)
Here are a few measurements I made:
Inside case diameter: 5.85"
Hole-hole (center-center) distance: 4.375"
Case thickness: 0.435"
Depth from edge of case to field windings: 0.395"
Outside diameter of shaft: 1.35"
Length of shaft from end to rotor laminations: 1.785"
Length of spline cut: 0.900"
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Martin Klingensmith
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