EV Digest 6573
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: DC motors on eBay
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Digital electric delivery meters
by "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Any real difference yellow top or blue top?
by "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Any real difference yellow top or blue top?
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Would any EV groups like a "motor info" FAQ's page?
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Clutch VS clutchless
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: 5-mph bumper removal
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Lectra Woes
by Jim Dempsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Live from PIR, Fireball Incident
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) alignment pins tranny/engine (hollow)
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Live from PIR, Fireball Incident
by Tim Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: ZAP claims to ship fast charger
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Lectra Woes
by robert mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Wanted: Donation Electric Vehicle - a car, truck, or scooter, even
without batteries
by robert mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: alignment pins tranny/engine (hollow)
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Any real difference yellow top or blue top?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: alignment pins tranny/engine (hollow)
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Better Data Logging Options?
by Edward Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Digital electric delivery meters
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Digital electric delivery meters
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Live from PIR, Fireball Incident
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) The Fairy Motor God(Mother)
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Would any EV groups like a "motor info" FAQ's page?
by "Kaido Kert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Fw: [turlockfreecycle] 1982 Supra for parts
by "Dave Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Would any EV groups like a "motor info" FAQ's page?
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: Live from PIR, Fireball Incident
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey all
Price is right on these for now. I've never seen this
ADC which it is. It's a long body but that CE plate
tells me it's only a four brush motor being that's a
EZ-GO golfcart CE plate.
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "PICK UP only"
>
> Jeff Major wrote:
> > eBay item 110105010578
> >
> > Two motors, 6.6 inch dia. Part # BU5-4001.
> Maybe ADC? Looks like long stack, 3 pole bolts.
> Has DEH and output shaft. Might be good choice over
> those golf cart motors.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
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In the February issue of Light & Medium Truck magazine p. 40 there is a
4 paragraph article from the Associated Press that electricity-provider
TXU of Texas will begin installing digital, automated meters in Dallas
and will update their whole system by 2011. The new meters will be
connected to the Internet through power lines. In the event of power
failures, the meters can send and receive signals, alerting crews to
potential problems and locations. TXU is saying that the new meters
will cut the number of power failures, and the time the repair takes to
complete.
EVDL content, hey, if you live in Dallas, Texas, your charging power
should get more reliable. The TXU web site TXU.com is interesting.
Alan Brinkman
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Optima AGM batteries come in RED, YELLOW and blue tops. While mostly I
hear about the yellow tops I am curious if there is really any significant
electrical difference that would matter?
Has anyone researched this? I am still deliberating my battery choice.
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
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Mark Ward wrote:
> Optima AGM batteries come in RED, YELLOW and blue tops.
> While mostly I hear about the yellow tops I am curious
> if there is really any significant electrical difference
> that would matter?
The RED tops are starting only; the blue tops come in two different case
colours: light grey and dark grey. The dark gray are starting only; the
light grey case is the deep cycle model.
The YTs and BTs are electrically the same. You may be able to find a
better price on the BT version, and the threaded studs on the BTs can be
very handy for attaching regulators and/or monitoring wires. Use the
SAE posts for the traction wiring.
Cheers,
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Hey all
Well there looks like some intrest so I'm willing to
throw down on some DC motor stuff. Looking at
Massey's stuff though I'm not sure I have time for 7
years of college 8^P In general I'd say I'm more the
brawn (yep all 150lbs.) of the group than the brains.
With that said I'd be more than happy to compile some
of Junkyard Jim's woorrrds of wisdom. I'm sure I got
a couple more wheelbarrel stories in me but lets all
hope Lee and Jeff will shed some light on some of the
brainier questions 8^) I've often wondered how scary
I'd be if I could cram Lee's brain in my head LMAO!
What? you guys never think about that kind of stuff?
Anyway I like to fancy myself a writer at least I
enjoy doing it 8^) I write murder mystery partys and
invite 30 of my friends and kill one, as a hobby LMAO!
Now that I think of it maybe I'm the evil twin, makes
more sense hehe.
Anyway I'm glad there is intrest. The way I see it
regardless of why your an EV'er if you aren't out
trying to spread it to the average Joe you might want
to ask yourself why you are 8^) I thought this would
be a great way to share what I know. Hopefully those
in thier fields feel the same and we'll update and add
to some FAQ's pages.
I'll keep the list informed, probably throw out some
pre finished so the sharks can clean it up before it's
posting?
Ohh I brought up the muder mystery thing cause I've
been taking notes on all you crazies and there are
more charaters here than anyone could shake a stick
at. A "who killed the electric car driver" party
sounds really fun. I can think of at least one guy
I'd like to kill right now 8^o
Anyway this'll give me something positive to focus on
right now.
Cya
Jim Husted
--- David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 at 12:58, James Massey wrote:
>
> > motor based FAQ page
>
> I'd be willing to host such a critter on evdl.org.
> The only caveat is that
> I don't support dynamic content control and Jim
> would have to email any
> updates to me to post for him.
>
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I don't plan to do much shifting at all, leave it in third, maybe shift
into 5th at freeway speeds, no hurry for that shift.
If you're gonna have it synch rpm's, go ahead and have it shift it too,
with some solenoids..
Jack
Andrew Kane wrote:
Perhaps the existing clutch pedal could be used to signal the
controller to change to "synchro mode" or whatever one would call it. The
controller could synchronize the motor speed to the appropriate rpm for the
current gear. I guess you'd need sensors to detect the "out-of-gear" state,
wherein the motor should "freewheel" and then spin up or down to match the
dowshift or upshift. I don't know how fast an unloaded motor can spin down
or up. Perhaps the "gear sensors'" signals would need to be delayed
somewhat
in software.
Alternatively one could use the "out of gear" state to trigger this
mode but I wouldn't try it.
On 3/18/07, Dale Ulan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would hesitate, however, to recommend it for all modest performance
street EVs. Some transmissions take the extra load of shifting the
motor armature better than others (and a smaller motors can only help
here too.) It looks like the LeCar and the VW Beetle (air cooled)
transaxle take the workout quite well.
If you could program the controller to RPM-match, should it be
possible to shift reasonably quickly with hardly any load on the
synchros? It seems to me that some motors should be able to do
this? 'It's only software'.... :-)
While driving calculate vehicle speed to motor speed ratio.
You know what gear it's in. Shift up - let go of gas, motor
speed drops. Controller runs motor speed at the next higher gear
vehicle speed to motor speed ratio. To shift down - tap gas
pedal right after slipping out of gear, and it controls motor
speed to next lower gear (if no over-rev danger). Maybe?
-Dale
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Your safe, any additional damage anyone could argue would be speculative to the
point of immaterial. Least to mention that no one would notice anyway.
Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Gabrielsson"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:22 AM
> Subject: 5-mph bumper removal
>
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience or insight into the
> > consequences of removing the 5 mph bumpers on my Fiat 124 and
> > replacing them with the pre 1975 bumpers. I guesstimate they weigh at
> > least 75 lbs, so I can probably save >50 lbs by replacing them with
> > the lighter earlier bumpers. It's not all that much but handling wise
> > the weight is in the worst possible place and they're ugly.
> >
> > What I'm most concerned with is insurance, I don't intend to insure
> > the car for damages to it but I'm wondering if the insurance company
> > will still try to use the fact that I didn't have the original bumpers
> > as a way to get out of paying damages to the other vehicle in the
> > event of a fender bender.
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.electric-lemon.com
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Okay, I give up.
Thanks to Paul G., I got 4 used YTs for my bike. They went in. I turned the
key.
Nothing happened.
I finally found a wiring schematic online, but don't have the cranial capacity
to denote probable problems.
Is there anyone out there with some proven EV chops willing to take on a
trouble-shooting-for-hire project on my bike, preferably in the Seattle area?
It might be a fuse, it might be a blown controller. I don't know, but the
weather is warming and I would like to find out.
Jim
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Hey Mike, all
--- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim,
> The way you're talking man we would think you gave
> birth to the thing ;-P
Tell you what! Lets see you insert a 37" Dutchman
shaft and see if you don't feel like you just gave
birth! Hows that sound?? You ain't one of those guys
who enjoy a good prostate exam now, Are you?
LMAO 8^P Hell just dealing with Waylands like child
birth, LMAO!
Hopefully it is just rigging. Tim told John there
were "noises" though, would you look at all you hall
of flame freaks drooling, LMAO! See James I told you!
never funnier than when the top man falls 8^P
Anyway with at least the mylar chips appearing (from
Johns discription) there appears to be more than just
rigging issues.
>From the reports I've gotten, 1 John says the new
Hawkers rule and 2 it seems to me that John was able
to get some fast back to back daytime runs in where
normaly it's had time to cool in the night air. John
admits to getting the motor hotter than it's ever
been.
I'd love to invite you all in to the horrors in my
mind of all the terrible things that could have
happened but I've learned to wait and see before
assuming anything and besides I don't want to sound
anymore insane than I have to 8^)
Anyway hopefull hannible will post soon with all the
details, I'm sure he's very pleased with himself right
now. There is more to the story but I will let the
butcher fill in the details as I'm not fully informed.
BTW They might not all be named but I love all my
little children. Bum me out if any of them had an
issue, doesn't matter if it was "my" fault or not.
I don't think one has to push his kid in front of a
car to feel bad the kid got hit by a car! For me
something like this is either
1, It's my fault or
2, I pushed my kid in front of the car knowing I was
giving it to a racer, LMAO! So I'm catch 22 here.
As to the mylar. It's sandwiched between two Nomex
sheets and keeps the Nomex from cracking. The way I
understand it is the Nomex insulates but can crack so
they add that inner Mylar so it doesn't. On my hard
accounts thier arms are wound with Nomex only. John's
armatures are factory wound and that's how they come.
I just threw them on a big popcicle stick 8^)
Anyway I'll keep everyone posted as I learn more.
Also, I see a few of you calling me momma. I'd rather
think of myself as a motor fairy God Mother. Turning
an old forklift motor into an EV drive is kinda like a
Cinderella story, for the motor anyway 8^) That is
unless I give it to some evil witch in a Plasmaboy
disguise, which is a whole other story!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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I was wondering if anyone had a good source
to buy those alignment pins that connect the
transmission the engine.
Currently I'm looking for .433"OD x .333"ID x .464"
length
and
.515"OD x .416"ID x ~.645" length
Thanks in advance
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Hey Jim,
I don't want to scare you here, but it wasn't so much a noise as a feeling
in the car. It felt to me like the rear armature was spinning on the shaft.
While toward the end of the fourth run I felt something slip (like when strip
the axle splines or a yoke spline). I thought I just hit a slick spot in the
track. A spinning armature would explain the overheating and the arcing of the
rear motor (the front motor was still just warm to the touch). As far as I
know the motor limit was set at 170 volts, however the lowest pack voltage I
saw was 225 volts at the end of the run while the motors were still pulling 800
amps when I crossed the finish line.
Looking at the positive side of things, we don't seem to be as battery
limited this year. The new pack was just warm to the touch after five pretty
hard runs. This was very encouraging, besides Jim, you said you wanted try try
a couple more tricks on the motor.
You know the only time your going to see this motor out of the car is when
it's broken ; - P
Tim
Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Mike, all
--- Mike Willmon wrote:
> Jim,
> The way you're talking man we would think you gave
> birth to the thing ;-P
Tell you what! Lets see you insert a 37" Dutchman
shaft and see if you don't feel like you just gave
birth! Hows that sound?? You ain't one of those guys
who enjoy a good prostate exam now, Are you?
LMAO 8^P Hell just dealing with Waylands like child
birth, LMAO!
Hopefully it is just rigging. Tim told John there
were "noises" though, would you look at all you hall
of flame freaks drooling, LMAO! See James I told you!
never funnier than when the top man falls 8^P
Anyway with at least the mylar chips appearing (from
Johns discription) there appears to be more than just
rigging issues.
>From the reports I've gotten, 1 John says the new
Hawkers rule and 2 it seems to me that John was able
to get some fast back to back daytime runs in where
normaly it's had time to cool in the night air. John
admits to getting the motor hotter than it's ever
been.
I'd love to invite you all in to the horrors in my
mind of all the terrible things that could have
happened but I've learned to wait and see before
assuming anything and besides I don't want to sound
anymore insane than I have to 8^)
Anyway hopefull hannible will post soon with all the
details, I'm sure he's very pleased with himself right
now. There is more to the story but I will let the
butcher fill in the details as I'm not fully informed.
BTW They might not all be named but I love all my
little children. Bum me out if any of them had an
issue, doesn't matter if it was "my" fault or not.
I don't think one has to push his kid in front of a
car to feel bad the kid got hit by a car! For me
something like this is either
1, It's my fault or
2, I pushed my kid in front of the car knowing I was
giving it to a racer, LMAO! So I'm catch 22 here.
As to the mylar. It's sandwiched between two Nomex
sheets and keeps the Nomex from cracking. The way I
understand it is the Nomex insulates but can crack so
they add that inner Mylar so it doesn't. On my hard
accounts thier arms are wound with Nomex only. John's
armatures are factory wound and that's how they come.
I just threw them on a big popcicle stick 8^)
Anyway I'll keep everyone posted as I learn more.
Also, I see a few of you calling me momma. I'd rather
think of myself as a motor fairy God Mother. Turning
an old forklift motor into an EV drive is kinda like a
Cinderella story, for the motor anyway 8^) That is
unless I give it to some evil witch in a Plasmaboy
disguise, which is a whole other story!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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I'm not an electrician, but this is what I understand is the case in the US.
The NEC normally doesn't concern itself with equipment connected to a
general purpose circuit. Since there's no way to know what a homeowner will
use on such a circuit, the 80% rule doesn't apply. It applies only to
permanently connected equipment.
My interpretation of the NEC is that unless the circuit is dedicated to the
charger, the NEC doesn't explicitly prohibit running a 20 amp EV charger on
a 20 amp circuit.
However, it's not good practice.
This may be the reason that some appliances' instructions specify that they
should be connected to a dedicated circuit. And a dedicated circuit is a
horse of a different color. Even though the equipment may be cord and cap
connected, as I interpret the code, it can't exceed 80% of the circuit
rating.
Of course I'm not an inspector nor am I a professional. I suggest that if
you want the real answer, call your local inspector. He or she is the final
word.
FWIW, in the case of a general purpose circuit that also serves permanently
connected equipment, the permanent load can't exceed 50% of the circuit
rating.
Except for the minimums and deratings called out in the NEC, the size of the
wire used to supply a receptacle or device will be determined by the voltage
drop. You should aim for no more than 5%. With #12 copper wire, a 20 foot
run to a receptacle with a load of 16 amps will have a voltage drop of only
1%. It would be overkill to use #10 wire in such a case. In fact you can
use #12 wire with a 16 amp load for a run of up to about 95 feet before you
exceed 5% voltage drop.
Hope this helps.
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In Vancouver, there are two gifted e-techs at e-ride.ca .. hope this helps.
Jim Dempsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, I give up.
Thanks to Paul G., I got 4 used YTs for my bike. They went in. I turned the
key.
Nothing happened.
I finally found a wiring schematic online, but don't have the cranial capacity
to denote probable problems.
Is there anyone out there with some proven EV chops willing to take on a
trouble-shooting-for-hire project on my bike, preferably in the Seattle area?
It might be a fuse, it might be a blown controller. I don't know, but the
weather is warming and I would like to find out.
Jim
Also, I don't check this email account regularly, so don't panic if your input
goes ignored for a few days.
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I got mine stock from Honda. Probably the cheapest
thing they sell...
--- mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had a good source
> to buy those alignment pins that connect the
> transmission the engine.
>
> Currently I'm looking for .433"OD x .333"ID x .464"
> length
> and
> .515"OD x .416"ID x ~.645" length
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
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> the light grey case is the deep cycle model.
>
> The YTs and BTs are electrically the same. You may be able to find a
> better price on the BT version, and the threaded studs on the BTs can be
> very handy for attaching regulators and/or monitoring wires. Use the
> SAE posts for the traction wiring.
>
I believe there is a difference in the warranty too, I think the BT comes
with a longer warranty.
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Mike are these for your Metro? I could check Dean's and Northwest Auto Slavage
here in Anchorage for you. Maybe even a call to a
dealer.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of mike golub
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:58 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: alignment pins tranny/engine (hollow)
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a good source
> to buy those alignment pins that connect the
> transmission the engine.
>
> Currently I'm looking for .433"OD x .333"ID x .464"
> length
> and
> .515"OD x .416"ID x ~.645" length
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
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On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:29 PM, john fisher wrote:
following up:
I found one defunct and one brand new XP-only project on
SourceForge, so no help there. There are over 30 LabView extensions
or apps there as well.
LabView does have a free student edition:
http://www.ni.com/academic/edu_lic.htm
John
john fisher wrote:
thanks Mark. I wonder if there is educational pricing... I'll
google around a bit. The same issue came up on another, gas-
powered, forum.
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I don't get it, how does a new meter prevent power outages?
I've never had a power outage that was caused by, or related in any way
to, the existing meter.
> In the February issue of Light & Medium Truck magazine p. 40 there is a
> 4 paragraph article from the Associated Press that electricity-provider
> TXU of Texas will begin installing digital, automated meters in Dallas
> and will update their whole system by 2011. The new meters will be
> connected to the Internet through power lines. In the event of power
> failures, the meters can send and receive signals, alerting crews to
> potential problems and locations. TXU is saying that the new meters
> will cut the number of power failures, and the time the repair takes to
> complete.
>
> EVDL content, hey, if you live in Dallas, Texas, your charging power
> should get more reliable. The TXU web site TXU.com is interesting.
>
> Alan Brinkman
>
>
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I think he's just inferring that outages can be more quickly troubleshot with
all these smarty meters telling the crews where the
problem is. Now on the other hand they will be able to tell when Electrabishi
is plugged into any outlets he's not supposed to
:-O
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Peter VanDerWal
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:01 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Digital electric delivery meters
>
>
> I don't get it, how does a new meter prevent power outages?
> I've never had a power outage that was caused by, or related in any way
> to, the existing meter.
>
> > In the February issue of Light & Medium Truck magazine p. 40 there is a
> > 4 paragraph article from the Associated Press that electricity-provider
> > TXU of Texas will begin installing digital, automated meters in Dallas
> > and will update their whole system by 2011. The new meters will be
> > connected to the Internet through power lines. In the event of power
> > failures, the meters can send and receive signals, alerting crews to
> > potential problems and locations. TXU is saying that the new meters
> > will cut the number of power failures, and the time the repair takes to
> > complete.
> >
> > EVDL content, hey, if you live in Dallas, Texas, your charging power
> > should get more reliable. The TXU web site TXU.com is interesting.
> >
> > Alan Brinkman
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> If you send email to me, or the EVDL, that has > 4 lines of legalistic
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>
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> Jim Husted wrote
>
> Tell you what! Lets see you insert a 37" Dutchman
> shaft and see if you don't feel like you just gave
> birth! Hows that sound?? You ain't one of those guys
> who enjoy a good prostate exam now, Are you?
> LMAO 8^P Hell just dealing with Waylands like child
> birth, LMAO!
I'll admit, all this hard core EV talk is starting to
make me a little squimish.
>
> would you look at all you hall
> of flame freaks drooling, LMAO!
enquiring minds want to know! Maybe a story on how a mild
mannered Siamese 8 became a hard core race banger.
Would go good with the before and after pics in your
calendar.
>
> I'd love to invite you all in to the horrors in my
> mind
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!!!!
>
> BTW They might not all be named but I love all my
> little children. Bum me out if any of them had an
> issue, doesn't matter if it was "my" fault or not.
> I don't think one has to push his kid in front of a
> car to feel bad the kid got hit by a car! For me
> something like this is either
> 1, It's my fault or
> 2, I pushed my kid in front of the car knowing I was
> giving it to a racer, LMAO! So I'm catch 22 here.
Jim, you could probably find some counseling for this.
Or maybe some form of psychomotoranalyzer.
I think Anritsu makes one of those, don't they ??
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> Tim Brehm wrote:
> You know the only time your going to see this motor out of the car is when
> it's broken ; - P
Alas Jim, the sad life of a Fairy Dust Motor God(Mother) is brought to the
light. It might be more true to say the only time your
going to see the motor (at all) is when its broken. hint hint. I'm trying to
get you to go to more shows in Portland (to coach
your motors) so I can have you pick up my motors when they come through.
> Jim Husted wrote:
> "unless I give it to some evil witch in a Plasmaboy
> disguise, which is a whole other story!"
heh, heh, I'm just about to start lauging. Only because I know there must be a
story brewing.
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Wouldnt it make sense to keep the FAQ in a wiki form, editable to
anyone who cares to contribute ? There is just such a wiki up on
http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Electric_motor
-kert
On 3/20/07, Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey all
Well there looks like some intrest so I'm willing to
throw down on some DC motor stuff. Looking at
Massey's stuff though I'm not sure I have time for 7
years of college 8^P In general I'd say I'm more the
brawn (yep all 150lbs.) of the group than the brains.
With that said I'd be more than happy to compile some
of Junkyard Jim's woorrrds of wisdom. I'm sure I got
a couple more wheelbarrel stories in me but lets all
hope Lee and Jeff will shed some light on some of the
brainier questions 8^) I've often wondered how scary
I'd be if I could cram Lee's brain in my head LMAO!
What? you guys never think about that kind of stuff?
Anyway I like to fancy myself a writer at least I
enjoy doing it 8^) I write murder mystery partys and
invite 30 of my friends and kill one, as a hobby LMAO!
Now that I think of it maybe I'm the evil twin, makes
more sense hehe.
Anyway I'm glad there is intrest. The way I see it
regardless of why your an EV'er if you aren't out
trying to spread it to the average Joe you might want
to ask yourself why you are 8^) I thought this would
be a great way to share what I know. Hopefully those
in thier fields feel the same and we'll update and add
to some FAQ's pages.
I'll keep the list informed, probably throw out some
pre finished so the sharks can clean it up before it's
posting?
Ohh I brought up the muder mystery thing cause I've
been taking notes on all you crazies and there are
more charaters here than anyone could shake a stick
at. A "who killed the electric car driver" party
sounds really fun. I can think of at least one guy
I'd like to kill right now 8^o
Anyway this'll give me something positive to focus on
right now.
Cya
Jim Husted
--- David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 at 12:58, James Massey wrote:
>
> > motor based FAQ page
>
> I'd be willing to host such a critter on evdl.org.
> The only caveat is that
> I don't support dynamic content control and Jim
> would have to email any
> updates to me to post for him.
>
>
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Someone need this?
David C. Wilker Jr.
USAF (RET)
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From: "Lady Anne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: [turlockfreecycle] 1982 Supra for parts
Looking for someone to tow it away, needs two tires to do that. Engine
and tranny blown, body in good condition, no broken glass. Perfect
parts car for someone with a working version. 1982 body, 1983 engine.
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Thanks Jim - another topic I'd like to read about is any "break in" procedures
for new motors, new brushes, etc. Are there any optimization tricks, etc.
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From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:05:43 PM
Subject: Re: Would any EV groups like a "motor info" FAQ's page?
Hey all
Well there looks like some intrest so I'm willing to
throw down on some DC motor stuff. Looking at
Massey's stuff though I'm not sure I have time for 7
years of college 8^P In general I'd say I'm more the
brawn (yep all 150lbs.) of the group than the brains.
With that said I'd be more than happy to compile some
of Junkyard Jim's woorrrds of wisdom. I'm sure I got
a couple more wheelbarrel stories in me but lets all
hope Lee and Jeff will shed some light on some of the
brainier questions 8^) I've often wondered how scary
I'd be if I could cram Lee's brain in my head LMAO!
What? you guys never think about that kind of stuff?
Anyway I like to fancy myself a writer at least I
enjoy doing it 8^) I write murder mystery partys and
invite 30 of my friends and kill one, as a hobby LMAO!
Now that I think of it maybe I'm the evil twin, makes
more sense hehe.
Anyway I'm glad there is intrest. The way I see it
regardless of why your an EV'er if you aren't out
trying to spread it to the average Joe you might want
to ask yourself why you are 8^) I thought this would
be a great way to share what I know. Hopefully those
in thier fields feel the same and we'll update and add
to some FAQ's pages.
I'll keep the list informed, probably throw out some
pre finished so the sharks can clean it up before it's
posting?
Ohh I brought up the muder mystery thing cause I've
been taking notes on all you crazies and there are
more charaters here than anyone could shake a stick
at. A "who killed the electric car driver" party
sounds really fun. I can think of at least one guy
I'd like to kill right now 8^o
Anyway this'll give me something positive to focus on
right now.
Cya
Jim Husted
--- David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 at 12:58, James Massey wrote:
>
> > motor based FAQ page
>
> I'd be willing to host such a critter on evdl.org.
> The only caveat is that
> I don't support dynamic content control and Jim
> would have to email any
> updates to me to post for him.
>
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EV List Administrator
>
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>rear armature was spinning
>on the shaft.
Jim,
I was wondering how these shafts are pressed on the
rotor? On my BLDC motors that have a 1" diameter
shaft, we press in 0.005" splines times 8 around the
diameter of the shaft, so it's kind of a press fit.
Are these shafts keyed?
Just curious.
Thanks,
Rod
--- Tim Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Jim,
> I don't want to scare you here, but it wasn't so
> much a noise as a feeling in the car. It felt to me
> like the rear armature was spinning on the shaft.
> While toward the end of the fourth run I felt
> something slip (like when strip the axle splines or
> a yoke spline). I thought I just hit a slick spot in
> the track. A spinning armature would explain the
> overheating and the arcing of the rear motor (the
> front motor was still just warm to the touch). As
> far as I know the motor limit was set at 170 volts,
> however the lowest pack voltage I saw was 225 volts
> at the end of the run while the motors were still
> pulling 800 amps when I crossed the finish line.
>
> Looking at the positive side of things, we
> don't seem to be as battery limited this year. The
> new pack was just warm to the touch after five
> pretty hard runs. This was very encouraging, besides
> Jim, you said you wanted try try a couple more
> tricks on the motor.
> You know the only time your going to see this
> motor out of the car is when it's broken ; - P
>
> Tim
>
> Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Mike, all
>
> --- Mike Willmon wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> > The way you're talking man we would think you gave
> > birth to the thing ;-P
>
> Tell you what! Lets see you insert a 37" Dutchman
> shaft and see if you don't feel like you just gave
> birth! Hows that sound?? You ain't one of those guys
> who enjoy a good prostate exam now, Are you?
> LMAO 8^P Hell just dealing with Waylands like child
> birth, LMAO!
>
> Hopefully it is just rigging. Tim told John there
> were "noises" though, would you look at all you hall
> of flame freaks drooling, LMAO! See James I told
> you!
> never funnier than when the top man falls 8^P
> Anyway with at least the mylar chips appearing (from
> Johns discription) there appears to be more than
> just
> rigging issues.
>
> >From the reports I've gotten, 1 John says the new
> Hawkers rule and 2 it seems to me that John was able
> to get some fast back to back daytime runs in where
> normaly it's had time to cool in the night air. John
> admits to getting the motor hotter than it's ever
> been.
>
> I'd love to invite you all in to the horrors in my
> mind of all the terrible things that could have
> happened but I've learned to wait and see before
> assuming anything and besides I don't want to sound
> anymore insane than I have to 8^)
> Anyway hopefull hannible will post soon with all the
> details, I'm sure he's very pleased with himself
> right
> now. There is more to the story but I will let the
> butcher fill in the details as I'm not fully
> informed.
>
> BTW They might not all be named but I love all my
> little children. Bum me out if any of them had an
> issue, doesn't matter if it was "my" fault or not.
> I don't think one has to push his kid in front of a
> car to feel bad the kid got hit by a car! For me
> something like this is either
> 1, It's my fault or
> 2, I pushed my kid in front of the car knowing I was
> giving it to a racer, LMAO! So I'm catch 22 here.
>
> As to the mylar. It's sandwiched between two Nomex
> sheets and keeps the Nomex from cracking. The way I
> understand it is the Nomex insulates but can crack
> so
> they add that inner Mylar so it doesn't. On my hard
> accounts thier arms are wound with Nomex only.
> John's
> armatures are factory wound and that's how they
> come.
> I just threw them on a big popcicle stick 8^)
>
> Anyway I'll keep everyone posted as I learn more.
>
> Also, I see a few of you calling me momma. I'd
> rather
> think of myself as a motor fairy God Mother. Turning
> an old forklift motor into an EV drive is kinda like
> a
> Cinderella story, for the motor anyway 8^) That is
> unless I give it to some evil witch in a Plasmaboy
> disguise, which is a whole other story!
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
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