EV Digest 6641
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Sherry Boschert you go girl. A whole lotta time on Science Friday.
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EV APU (genset) emissions & FE
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re Fun with 3rd rails, WAS : [EV] 357 MPH!!!!!!!!! an' Stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Arc Flash & Ark Blast Warning !!!!!
by Mark Freidberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: A motor named Damon
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: US Electricar group Deleted
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) [EV] Re: Yet another inexpensive battery monitor - RC Electronics
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: C,mm,n (common) open source car project by Dutch universities
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Re Fun with 3rd rails, WAS : [EV] 357 MPH!!!!!!!!! an' Stuff
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: US Electricar group Deleted
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: US Electricar group Deleted
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Intro
by "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) A motor named Swiss Cheese
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Science Friday has an hour on plugin cars.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: [EV] Re: Yet another inexpensive battery monitor - RC Electronics
by "Ted Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Intro
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Science Friday has an hour on plugin cars.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) New floodies not needing water?! Charging, of course.
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Intro
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Re Fun with 3rd rails, WAS : [EV] 357 MPH!!!!!!!!! an' Stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Arc Flash & Ark Blast Warning !!!!!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: C,mm,n (common) open source car project by Dutch universities
by John Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: C,mm,n (common) open source car project by Dutch universities
by John Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sherry
I just heard the pod cast. I agree with Lawrence, you
did a great job in put out the facts where as the call
ins tended to spout off the rhetoric of propaganda. A
recent MSNBC story about nickel production in Canada
was killing off the environment. And how Hybrid are
not cleaner. But they did not include recycled metals.
Converting is another method of recycling dead
vehicles. Anyway Thanks for spreading the EV word.
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The second hour of Science Friday was devoted to
> plugin vehicles, the x
> prize & the Chevy Volt. Sherry & her adversary
> pointed out the problems
> with the Volt, GM's previons record & then proceeded
> to defend their points
> of view. Sherry pushed off most of the neg.
> viewpoints & I hope opened the
> NPR listners minds to what really is happening out
> there. Thank God Ira
> Flatow was sympathetic to Sherry letting her speak
> at length and asked good
> questions especially when the EV bashers asked about
> exploding batteries he
> asked how many sticks of dynamite were in a gallon
> of gasoline. The engineer
> didn't know the answer but Ira did. Bravo Sherry
> Boschert. Lawrence
> Rhodes....
> This should be available on the web as they have an
> archeive/podcast......
>
>
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Some more data points on fuel consumption on a Honda GX610 engine.
313 g/kWh (230 g/HPh, 0.51 lb/HPh) (from
http://www.tele-lite.com/viewProducts.asp?prodID=58 )
Gasoline @ full loadÂ…1.4 gallons per hour. (from
http://www.gohonda.com/Multi-fuel/lv105eiz.html )
1.4 gallons per hour full load works out to 42.85 MPG
I think the reality of the electrical conversion
losses would knock this out anyway.
The comparsion with pre-2001 emission standards:
270% more NMHC + NOx (3.7 times as much)
3800% more CO (39 times as much)
pretty much shuts it down for me, though one
might hope the Honda engine might be a bit cleaner than spec.
For all that weight, you might as well use a car
engine and drive a really big generator. Of
course, there are always pushers, though they are
pretty much so far out on the fringe they will never be a common solution,
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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From: "Randy Burleson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [EV] 357 MPH!!!!!!!!! an' Stuff
> Is it even remotely possible to charge an EV off that third rail?
>
> Randii
> Hi Randi;
Well, er, Yes. IF you have a hellova dropping resister! EVerytime I go
down to my local Trolley Museum, in an electric, I get THAT question; " Why
don't ya sling a wire to the trolley overhead, and charge yur car, ha ha?" I
have given serious thoughts to that. With a Loooong wooden pole strung with
a buncha starting resister grids NOS trolley car parts, hopefully dropping
the 580-600 volts our Museum uses, down to 120 volts worth of batteries?Clip
lead to the running rail, negative in RR practice, but I's sureashell CHECK,
first!
Or, lay the grids flat, bring some hot dawgs and 'burgers and have the
EAA Cookout at the Trolley Museum! I was thinking of a 200-300 amp charging
rate?I sure would have to baby sit THIS one! And the thought of POWERING the
museum's wire just for grins. The old , say single truck, pre 1900 cars ,
with hand brakes,would go, although slowly on 120 volts. Full Parallel the
motors would see about what they see starting, going through Series
Parallel, and resisters. Maybe a battery powered trip down our line would be
fun? Newer cars, with Air Brakes , would have issues IF the air compressers
would pump up enough air on 120 volts??As the compresser motors are 600
volt, and would be lethargic on 120 volts. Oh, they would go, but pump
enough air to get the brakes to work?
Years ago, I had a set of Badd-eries down at the Trolley Museum, and we
had a 8 wheel trolley car apart, changing a traction motor(3rd Ave #600
series car, built 1938 at NYC 's 3rd ave RR shops) thought yud never ask?!I
had the two motor truck( Rail speak for wheel assembly under RR cars) loose
from the car. It has 2, 35 hp 600 volt TM's. I got a wide plank and stacked
about 6-8 , 6 volt Exides, hooked them up in series, grabbed a shop light,
put in a 60 volt bulb, clipped- leaded it together, with a set of jumper
cables for "Controller" we were off! Instant trolley car! It was a public
operating day, and common folks off the streeet were treated to our "Economy
Trolley" The truck tip toed out, with clearence from our dispatcher, as an "
Extra" car. Wafting along at maybe 15 mph in ghoastly silence, much to the
amusment of the museum- going- public as well as the members.Seats for 2 or
3 depending on how good friends they were<g>! Clamp on 'Headlight" showing
the way! Trains, trolleys and that sort of vehicle, nowadaze, by rule, have
to run headlights. So we DID conform to Standard RR practice. WE SHOULDA had
a red marker light on the REAR, too. to be FRA complient. Oh well<g>!
Fun at the Museum. Trolley Museum Geeks are alot like EV guyz.Hell! We
all get our pleasures electrically.Other fun stuff at the Museum was
fabricating track switches. I had made my own in HO gage, upscaled THAT to
one-foot-to-the-foot scale. Hydralic rail benders and arc welding , and
actehlene outfits taking the place of soldering irons and pliers.
Fun with metals! Shameless plug here; Our Trolley Museums are ALWAYS
looking for a few good men, and gals, too.
Like ya have all this spare time??
My two tokens worth.
Bob........ 50 year Branford Trolley Museum member!
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I'd been thinking specifically of AGMS in the sizes
used in EVs. For example a Group 31 AGM fully charged
(or not) that can't be switched off and has
exposed terminals sitting right on top of it, isn't a
safe consumer product. Manufacturing the battery with
a flush mounted breaker on top midpoint between the
terminals that clearly indicates whether the battery
is "on" or "off" would seem to be a worthwhile safety
feature. It would allow for manual on/off control and
also automatically shut down the battery in the event
of a short circuit current.
Mark
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is commonly done on battery packs for laptop
computers, camcorders, cellphones, etc.
> Mark Freidberg wrote:
> Besides additional cost, why not market a battery
> with an internal fuse or breaker that interrupts
> current flow in the event of an abrupt zero to short
> circuit current spike?
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The motor is slated for a 1970 Datsun pickup truck.
BTW - my son who is now officially the father of this motor (meaning of
course it's Mike's baby not Jim's) has been calling the motor swiss cheese
due to all the extra holes that were drilled in it. It seems that Jim has a
very consistent method of dealing with his own ooops moments... He even
offered at one point to let us start out with a new motor housing, but we
wanted to hold on to all the evidence. I guess if Jim hears of someone
screwing up on a motor on the list he shoots that person full of holes, if
it's a motor sitting on his bench which is giving him grief he just busts
out the drill :-)
All kidding aside, it turned out beautiful, and I can't thank Jim enough for
walking my son through the whole process and letting Mike carry away
something that he is very proud of. I'm sure Jim will be posting pictures
soon enough.
When it comes to his craft Jim is very very old school; think Greek Artisan
as he has that unique balance of technical proficiancy an artistic passion.
Anyone who has Jim work on a motor for them is sure to consider it money
well spent. You may not always be able to see the difference from the
outside, but spend a couple of days with Jim in his shop and you will
understand what I am talking about.
damon
From: Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: A motor named Damon
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:19:23 -0800
It may be that Jim will change the name of this motor to The Omen };->
Can't wait to see what vehicle it finally makes it into.
It seems a little small for a '58 Fury. But hey, maybe it will have a lot
of heart....or an evil twin heart :-O
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of James Massey
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: A motor named Damon
>
>
> At 08:21 PM 5/04/07 -0700, Jim wrote:
> >Hey all
> >
> ><snip>Just wanted to share a story about a boy and his first
> >motor and how I'm gonna rip his heart out when I put
> >it up on Ebay for 125.00 LMAO!
> >
> >What you thought it's gonna be a happy ending? hehe.
>
> Well I think someone just showed up which twin is the evil one...
>
> 8^P
>
> Happy Easter!
>
> Regards
>
> [Technik] James
>
>
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Bruce intentionally deleted the USElectricar_ev group, per Yahoo.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> request to bruce .. please save the hard work of many
> and ask yahoo to help re-instate the deleted group
>
> (i am presuming that it was not intentionally deleted by you)
>
> thanks
>
> ..peekay
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EVDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: US Electricar group Deleted
>
>
> > About a month ago, the main yahoo group for US Electricar EV's was
> > deleted without cause, or notice to the participants, who had
> > contributed blood sweat, tears, and dollars to keeping these EV's on
> > the road. There were many thousands posts that were directly
related to
> > troubleshooting and repairing these EV's. This group as I recall was
> > 5-7 years old.
> >
> > A second USElectricar group was started a year ago as the primary
group
> > was so hard to join, due to an automated scripting function that the
> > owner had designed. So it sat stagnant. The owner has refused to ask
> > Yahoo to un-delete the group. Yahoo will also not intervene
without the
> > owners consent. In about 3 weeks the groups archives will be purged
> > from Yahoo servers forever.
> >
> > The original USElectricar EV group that was deleted is owned by Bruce
> > Parmenter. He posts here regularly. I think the EV community has come
> > together many times to keep vehicles from being crushed. Maybe
they can
> > come together to keep these vehicles from rotting away as well, by
> > keeping the technological information flowing that prevents EV rust.
> >
> > Anything that anyone can be done to convince Bruce to bring the old
> > group back, or even transfer ownership, will be doing these EV's a
real
> > service.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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4/4/2007
> 1:09 PM
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> >
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Looks great. Please keep us informed!
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 01:11:59PM -0700, Michael Barkley wrote:
> > I just ordered this battery monitor.
> >
> > www.paktrakr.com
> >
> > I ordered it with the current sensor, that will measure up to
300amps. Price, is aprox $ 150 for the basic unit, and an additional
$50 for the current sensor option. It monitors each battery in the
pack, and is really feature packed. I hope it will be the only dash
item I'll need to put in the car, other than a temperature monitor on
the motor.
>
> keep us posted... as the page on ev usa the site refers you to no longer
> exists...
>
>
> --
> Eduardo K. |
> http://www.carfun.cl | I'm white and nerdy
> http://ev.nn.cl | Weird Al
> |
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From: Nate Gordon
> The difference here is that an open source computer requires that
> you have a fairly impressive array of facilities to produce a
> computer processor/ram/chipsets/etc. An open source car requires
> that you know how to weld a frame according to a blueprint and
> assemble various other pieces together according to a set of
> instructions. There are some tricky parts to produce in a generic
> car EV, but nothing that a sufficiently resourceful individual
> couldn't do.
I would suggest that making your own computer and making your own car are in
fact projects of comarable complexity. In both cases, the project is quite
straightforward and simple if you build something crude/old/slow; but very
difficult if you try to build one that is high performance and state-of-the-art.
The key point is whether you are willing to accept lower performance and fewer
features in order to simplify the project enough so you can build it yourself.
> If people are willing to form the community around this new open
> source project, then the innovations possible could be immense.
I don't see it quite this way. First, I don't think that companies can do
anything to stop individuals from innovating on their own. Indeed, I think
*all* the innovations in the EV field (and most other fields) come from small
experimenters and hobbyists; not from big companies. These small innovators
invent, build, and test these ideas themselves. Big companies just step in
*after* the pioneers have proven that the innovation works.
> If people cling to the closed mind mentality and that everything
> is a trade secret, then the innovation will be slower or halted.
Likewise, I see little evidence that anyone is keeping anything "secret". For
example, information on how an EV controller works, specifications for the
parts needed to build it, and sample circuits are all readily available. If you
are reasonably skilled in the art, you can look at any controller on the market
and discern all its "secrets". They aren't potted, they didn't sand the numbers
off the parts, and they didn't patent any key concepts (they're all too old to
patent).
> So how about this. Form a community, share your knowledge
Don't you think this EV discussion list is already such a community?
> ...and quit stopping the rest of us from changing the world.
Who exactly is stopping you? What I see is quite the opposite -- parts,
information, and help is more available than ever before!
> I would love to see a company take their controller, strip out
> all the fancy features besides regulating motor speed and
> horsepower and let the world see.
A company has little incentive to give away hard-won information if it
sabotages sales of their own products. But they have occasionally done so for
old projects.
And, there are plenty of books, application notes, and white papers describing
how to build your own simple controllers.
The main thing stopping people from building their own controller is their
willingness to spend the time and money to learn how to do it.
--
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
doing it." -- Chinese proverb
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377
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>> Is it even remotely possible to charge an EV off that third rail?
From: Bob Rice
> Well, er, Yes. IF you have a hellova dropping resistor!
Is that overhead wire AC or DC, Bob? If AC, a transformer would be the obvious
way to knock it down to some reasonable voltage.
If it is DC, then you need a DC/DC converter. These already exist for such
voltages; as you know, the railroads themselves use them for powering their
various accessory loads.
--
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
doing it." -- Chinese proverb
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377
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As Cor explained in detail the original group was USElectricar_ev and
the new group is USElectricar. Both on Yahoo.
USElectricar_ev was deleted. If you look at EV links on several
websites, they are always to the original group that is in limbo right
now.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> Mike> About a month ago, the main yahoo group for US Electricar
EV's was
> Mike> deleted without cause, or notice to the participants...
>
> Something called uselectricar is there as far as I can tell:
>
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/uselectricar/
>
> In fact, I see two posts from today by Mike Phillips.
>
> --
> Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/
> "The hippies and the hipsters did some great stuff in the sixties,
> but the geeks pulled their weight too." -- Billy Bragg
>
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Mike> As Cor explained in detail the original group was USElectricar_ev
Mike> and the new group is USElectricar. Both on Yahoo.
Right, but that was after my search and post. I don't recall that the
original message mentioned "_ev" as a suffix. I did a search for
uselectricar and came up with what I now understand was the replacement.
Skip
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Hey folks! I'm a new, budding EV enthusiast and I thought I would toss
out a shout to the list. :)
I live in Rockport, MA, and I've been voraciously researching the EV
world for awhile now. I've tentatively decided to go with a 914 EV,
hopefully with an AC drivetrain since range is my primary concern. My
first EV conversion is going to be my daily commuter and it needs to
be able to go 100+ miles in mixed conditions. I realize that is
difficult to engineer unless you are using crazy expensive battery
packs, but I'm open to flooded NiCads (found a couple of sources for
surplus Marathon BB600s that might work). I'm a physics grad, and
technically proficient. I'm currently an IT Manager for a R&D arm of a
major telco.
I'm still in discovery phase, though, so any and all comments are
accepted :) I realize this has probably been said MANY times, but I'll
just toss out my list of requirements:
1) Should look reasonably cool. If I'm going to be spending large
amounts of time working on this thing, I'd like it to end up eye
inspiring!
2) 100+ mile range
3) 2 seater, however a converted 4+ would be fine.. happy to eliminate
the back seats for battery room and etc.
So, again HELLO to list members! Be seeing you out there, and if there
are MA enthusiasts who could toss me their info in email, I'd love to
take a look at your projects over beers and pizza.
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Hey all
First off, there's nothing like a good screw up to
keep a man humble, of course trying to keep up with a
16 year old at 45 has that same feel, LMAO! 8^P
Here lately I've been beating on motors like gophers
on a golf course and well EVen an old Spartan gets a
little tired every now and again 8^) Having been
challeged by just two gophers and a baby motor I was
looking forward to having some R&R and throwing this
into the "Jims" vacation days folder 8^)
Well in true "no good deed goes unpunished" fashion
this adventure took a Caddy Shack tone as this 70 lb.
gopher said hit me with that stick and I'm gonna...!
I said shut up your a gopher, wack! Well lets just
say it ended up like this 8^P <--- That's the end of
the stick, LMAO! 8^o
As I was posting about the first mistake, my brain
realized that the hole pattern on the CE side was not
going to line up correctly. Sometimes the holes do
line up so there was still hope 8^) I got to the shop
"early" and found that I didn't get lucky 8^(
I set to drilling and tapping 12 new holes. I could
have worked my core up real fast. and thought about
filling and hiding the mistake but being this was
Mikes motor I got us to where we were yesterday and
waited for them to get in.
I "owned up" to my screw up, and through out our
options, offering up my other housing so I could keep
this hidious frankenCheese monster from EVer seeing
the public, but noooo, they insisted they wanted to
keep the evidence! I said fine be that way stupid
little gophers! I guess one could look at this motor
as a 24 brush timing position motor for both CW and
CCW rotations 8^) The reasons for the mulitble holes
is they are planning on starting small and low voltage
and adding volts as time and budget allow. I wanted
them to have a small and then standard timing options.
They ended up with a motor Mike named Swiss Cheese.
All and all I had a blast! In the end I beat that
gopher till it turned Blue, hehehe. I just sent the
pics to Damon and I'll also try and get them up soon
but I have a bunch of stuff to do today. Just had to
throw a quick post of our little EVenture.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The motor is slated for a 1970 Datsun pickup truck.
>
> BTW - my son who is now officially the father of
> this motor (meaning of
> course it's Mike's baby not Jim's) has been calling
> the motor swiss cheese
> due to all the extra holes that were drilled in it.
> It seems that Jim has a
> very consistent method of dealing with his own ooops
> moments... He even
> offered at one point to let us start out with a new
> motor housing, but we
> wanted to hold on to all the evidence. I guess if
> Jim hears of someone
> screwing up on a motor on the list he shoots that
> person full of holes, if
> it's a motor sitting on his bench which is giving
> him grief he just busts
> out the drill :-)
>
> All kidding aside, it turned out beautiful, and I
> can't thank Jim enough for
> walking my son through the whole process and letting
> Mike carry away
> something that he is very proud of. I'm sure Jim
> will be posting pictures
> soon enough.
>
> When it comes to his craft Jim is very very old
> school; think Greek Artisan
> as he has that unique balance of technical
> proficiancy an artistic passion.
> Anyone who has Jim work on a motor for them is sure
> to consider it money
> well spent. You may not always be able to see the
> difference from the
> outside, but spend a couple of days with Jim in his
> shop and you will
> understand what I am talking about.
>
> damon
>
> >From: Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RE: A motor named Damon
> >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:19:23 -0800
> >
> >It may be that Jim will change the name of this
> motor to The Omen };->
> >
> >Can't wait to see what vehicle it finally makes it
> into.
> >It seems a little small for a '58 Fury. But hey,
> maybe it will have a lot
> >of heart....or an evil twin heart :-O
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Behalf Of James Massey
> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:32 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: A motor named Damon
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:21 PM 5/04/07 -0700, Jim wrote:
> > > >Hey all
> > > >
> > > ><snip>Just wanted to share a story about a boy
> and his first
> > > >motor and how I'm gonna rip his heart out when
> I put
> > > >it up on Ebay for 125.00 LMAO!
> > > >
> > > >What you thought it's gonna be a happy ending?
> hehe.
> > >
> > > Well I think someone just showed up which twin
> is the evil one...
> > >
> > > 8^P
> > >
> > > Happy Easter!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > [Technik] James
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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The program was great with Ira Flatow jumping in & asking how many sticks of
dynamite are in a gallon of gas when exploding batteries were brought
up.(great comeback to ev naysayers) Our own Sherry Boschert Author,
"Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America" (2006, New Society
Publishers)Co-founder and President, San Francisco Electric Vehicle
Association
San Francisco, California was one of two experts talking about plugins.
This is big. I'm surprised few of you out there noticed. It was a spirited
debate with segments on the Volt & X prize. Lawrence Rhodes....
Here's where you'll find the podcast/listen on the web.
http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2007/Apr/hour2_040607.html
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The web site came up for me.
Beano -- 1981 Ford Escort EV
Ted Sanders
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EV] Re: Yet another inexpensive battery monitor - RC
Electronics
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:09:06 -0400
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 01:11:59PM -0700, Michael Barkley wrote:
> I just ordered this battery monitor.
>
> www.paktrakr.com
>
> I ordered it with the current sensor, that will measure up to 300amps.
Price, is aprox $ 150 for the basic unit, and an additional $50 for the
current sensor option. It monitors each battery in the pack, and is
really feature packed. I hope it will be the only dash item I'll need to
put in the car, other than a temperature monitor on the motor.
keep us posted... as the page on ev usa the site refers you to no longer
exists...
--
Eduardo K. |
http://www.carfun.cl | I'm white and nerdy
http://ev.nn.cl | Weird Al
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Welcome to the list, Tim.
If you've been voraciously reading, you'll realize
that the only rigs to get 100+ mi. per charge are the
OEMs (Honda EV+, Toyota RAV4EV, etc. with exotic
battery chemistries. Are you _certain_ that your
commute is 100 mi. each way, every day? That doesn't
leave much time to work on a conversion...
I chose Honda b/c I like the way it looks, although
the 914 lends itself well; worked on one at a JC years
ago.
Best to you,
--- Timothy Balcer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey folks! I'm a new, budding EV enthusiast and I
> thought I would toss
> out a shout to the list. :)
>
> I live in Rockport, MA, and I've been voraciously
> researching the EV
> world for awhile now. I've tentatively decided to go
> with a 914 EV,
> hopefully with an AC drivetrain since range is my
> primary concern. My
> first EV conversion is going to be my daily commuter
> and it needs to
> be able to go 100+ miles in mixed conditions. I
> realize that is
> difficult to engineer unless you are using crazy
> expensive battery
> packs, but I'm open to flooded NiCads (found a
> couple of sources for
> surplus Marathon BB600s that might work). I'm a
> physics grad, and
> technically proficient. I'm currently an IT Manager
> for a R&D arm of a
> major telco.
>
> I'm still in discovery phase, though, so any and all
> comments are
> accepted :) I realize this has probably been said
> MANY times, but I'll
> just toss out my list of requirements:
>
> 1) Should look reasonably cool. If I'm going to be
> spending large
> amounts of time working on this thing, I'd like it
> to end up eye
> inspiring!
> 2) 100+ mile range
> 3) 2 seater, however a converted 4+ would be fine..
> happy to eliminate
> the back seats for battery room and etc.
>
> So, again HELLO to list members! Be seeing you out
> there, and if there
> are MA enthusiasts who could toss me their info in
> email, I'd love to
> take a look at your projects over beers and pizza.
>
>
Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
has my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
Learn more at:
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
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Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel?
Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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Direct to the source of the second hour where the discussion was held. The
link may be broken. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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Brand new pack; 4 mos. new. I've been charging at USB
voltage specs. Current gradually falls off to between
1.8 to 3A with the PFC-20.
I'm getting carbonated soda type bubbles.
I'm concerned that these aren't getting properly EQ'd.
Yet my SG readings are 1265, and the voltages are all
within .05 of each other.
Experts?
Thanks,
Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
has my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
Learn more at:
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
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From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Intro
> Hey folks! I'm a new, budding EV enthusiast and I thought I would toss
> out a shout to the list. :)
>
> I live in Rockport, MA,
Hi Tim;
Welcome to the Wonderful World of EV's! Your right down the road from
Dave Robie's. Dave? Got yur ears on?There are other guyz in your area, if
not quite zip code. Now, other hat on, I'm Prez of the New England EAA, we
get together EVery second Sat of each month, at my place in Killingworth CT,
an inconvenient, 2 hour or less, if ya miss the Casino Crowds(Here It's a
tax for the mathmatically Declined) Guys from up your way Prius Pool down.
Seems that most EVerybody around in to EV's are Prei fans.Seeya next week?
I don't wanna rain on yur parade, but Your wishes are, mostly, wishes;
Tall Order. Well, how deep are your pockets? Tough to do with common man Led
Acids. I HAVE eeeked 100 miles out of my Rabbit, in IDEAL conditions, but
settle for 50-60 miles range or 20 when it's 10 degreez out. Led Acids SUCK!
But the're almost the only game in town, right now. the occasional BB-600 or
a 123's. Do a Porsche 914 or better yet a 911? EVen an old Carman Ghia, they
are light, and aero and are a nice car to bre scene in.
We have a gettogether at the club meetings and a few home made EV's show
up. You can look at some hardware, get a ride. Have ya your first EV Grin,
yet? We certainly don't want to see ya going alone on building a car.New
England 'aint exactly a hot bed of EV activity, but we are growing. Alot
since the WKtEC Movie. People are coming out of the woodwork, now. It's
great! In that you popped up on the List, you have come to the right place.
We're World Wide as you will see, copying the mail on here.
One of our members, Dave Cover is doing BB-600's in a car. Thinking
BB-600's -ya got to hook up. Oh, the QUESTION. Can you plugitin at work?
That makes a BIG difference! I did a 50 mile RT, but I COULD plug in at
work. In a trainyard full of electric trains are they gunna yell at you?I
had enough juice to do the RT if I had to, but the batteries liked the
charge, and I could fly home in the left lane at 70mph! Happiness, is coming
home with a happy, juicy, bubbling, battery pac!
Seeya?
Bob
and I've been voraciously researching the EV
> world for awhile now. I've tentatively decided to go with a 914 EV,
> hopefully with an AC drivetrain since range is my primary concern. My
> first EV conversion is going to be my daily commuter and it needs to
> be able to go 100+ miles in mixed conditions. I realize that is
> difficult to engineer unless you are using crazy expensive battery
> packs, but I'm open to flooded NiCads (found a couple of sources for
> surplus Marathon BB600s that might work). I'm a physics grad, and
> technically proficient. I'm currently an IT Manager for a R&D arm of a
> major telco.
>
> I'm still in discovery phase, though, so any and all comments are
> accepted :) I realize this has probably been said MANY times, but I'll
> just toss out my list of requirements:
>
> 1) Should look reasonably cool. If I'm going to be spending large
> amounts of time working on this thing, I'd like it to end up eye
> inspiring!
> 2) 100+ mile range
> 3) 2 seater, however a converted 4+ would be fine.. happy to eliminate
> the back seats for battery room and etc.
>
> So, again HELLO to list members! Be seeing you out there, and if there
> are MA enthusiasts who could toss me their info in email, I'd love to
> take a look at your projects over beers and pizza.
>
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Re Fun with 3rd rails, WAS : [EV] 357 MPH!!!!!!!!! an' Stuff
> >> Is it even remotely possible to charge an EV off that third rail?
>
> From: Bob Rice
> > Well, er, Yes. IF you have a hellova dropping resistor!
>
> Is that overhead wire AC or DC, Bob? If AC, a transformer would be the
obvious way to knock it down to some reasonable voltage.
> Hi Lee;
It's authentic ,rectifyed DC. Most light rail STILL is DC600-700 volts
is most common.
> If it is DC, then you need a DC/DC converter. These already exist for such
voltages; as you know, the railroads themselves use them for powering their
various accessory loads.
> Yeah, if you think Zillas are expensive you haven't been into the RR
supply world? Railroads are a hidiously expen$$$ive hobby, or biz,
nowadaze! Several hundred bux for a handcar wheel! I have fanisized in
building an electric "Pop" car. the sound they made. those cute little,
usually yellow, motor cars the trak gangs used to use. Before the Hi Rail
trucks they run now. There are actuall groups of, also called "Speeder" car
owners that tour(After getting Permission..... ..usually) abandoned RR
lines.Google the hell out of it. These things run old make-and-break engines
to more modern Ford flathead engines. Most are light enough a few guyz MY
size can horse them out of the Twentith Century's way<g>! Fairmount Motor
Car. They were VERY common.
A Golf cart motor, Alltrax controller, 6 T 105's or 12 volt Optimas?
There is almost no rolling resistance and RR trax are pretty level, you
could ghost along for MILES.The Speeder folks put (Putt) up with the smoke,
noise, and moodyness of old engines. This could be a whole branch(line) EV
use thing!?But you could use streight cut gears for a nostolgic trolley car
sounds. Better than Pop- Pop- Pop!
> --
> "Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
> doing it." -- Chinese proverb
> --Right on!
My two Putts worth
Bob
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I agree it would a big improvement in safety and convenience. It would also
be good for vehicles that you use just once in a while. The AMG battery can
hold its charge for many months.
Don
In a message dated 4/7/2007 6:45:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd been thinking specifically of AGMS in the sizes
used in EVs. For example a Group 31 AGM fully charged
(or not) that can't be switched off and has
exposed terminals sitting right on top of it, isn't a
safe consumer product. Manufacturing the battery with
a flush mounted breaker on top midpoint between the
terminals that clearly indicates whether the battery
is "on" or "off" would seem to be a worthwhile safety
feature. It would allow for manual on/off control and
also automatically shut down the battery in the event
of a short circuit current.
Mark
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is commonly done on battery packs for laptop
computers, camcorders, cellphones, etc.
> Mark Freidberg wrote:
> Besides additional cost, why not market a battery
> with an internal fuse or breaker that interrupts
> current flow in the event of an abrupt zero to short
> circuit current spike?
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Lee Hart wrote:
Indeed, I think *all* the innovations in the EV field (and most other fields)
come from small experimenters and hobbyists; not from big companies. These
small innovators invent, build, and test these ideas themselves. Big companies
just step in *after* the pioneers have proven that the innovation works.
This is really not supported by the evidence IMO. No scientific problems
will be solved by home tinkerers ( like me ) and the real engineering
problems center around manufacturing and cost, not design. The one
exception to the rule of advances coming from the factory, is racing,
where advances really do trickle down to consumers - traction control in
F1 and MotoGP is one example. That kind of racing development is only
available however, to factory teams, so perhaps this isn't an exception
at all.
You could argue that re-packaging old ideas is innovation, and that
influences the marketing groups of manufacturers to change their ways -
see choppers and hot rods. No doubt a swell of enthusiasm for home-built EVs
You have to be realistic - sure you can build a crude EV, with enough
money you can build a pretty good one, by using off-the-shelf parts.
What you will never be able to do is design one that can be profitably
sold in the tens of thousands to DOT standards. That's a *hard*
engineering problem.
Software is fundamentally different. It is oddly amenable to small group
design and open source development - see the still-useful Man-Month book.
thats my opinion as a software guy anyway....
JF
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There is already an open-source car - the Locost Lotus Super 7 clone. It
was explicitly defined in a book. One would make an excellent platform
for my EV-green car project, though I will probably use a sand rail instead.
http://www.electric7.com/
http://www.locostusa.com/
http://www.groovy42.freeserve.co.uk/
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/
http://www.locost7.info/
You might argue that choppers, sand rails/buggies, and Meyer's Manxes
are also a kind of OS car or bike.
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