EV Digest 6652
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Intro
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
by Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Intro
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Balancing Lithium batterys - how does this work?
by "Eidson, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) BattEQ for Lithiums: Was Balancing Lithium batteries
by "Mick Abraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: C,mm,n (common) open source car project by Dutch universities
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Sparrow rear bearings.
by "Paul Compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Attn Jim Husted
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) THANKS
by DAVID BARWICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Attn Jim Husted
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Intro
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Fantasy batteries
by "David Hankins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Attn Jim Husted
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Intro
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Balancing Lithium batterys - how does this work?
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Attn Jim Husted (MOTOR MOTOR MOTOR HEY I'M NOT SPAM :-)
by Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Attn Jim Husted (MOTOR MOTOR MOTOR HEY I'M NOT SPAM :-)
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) another one
by Sharon G Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
by Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
by "Michael Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: another one
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: Nawaz Qureshi question has the US125 gotten any better overy
the last few years ?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: [EV] Re: Attn Jim Husted (MOTOR MOTOR MOTOR HEY I'M NOT SPAM :-)
by Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: Li-Ion charging (was: KillaCycle Update)
by "Claudio Natoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: OT: SVO, was: EV APU (Biodiesel) emissions & FE
by "David Hrivnak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Unfortunately MES-DEA will not sell Zebra battery to an individual.
Being individual myself I have mixed feeling about it, but in
their shoes I'd probably do the same. As a company I perhaps
can convince MES to sell it to me, but I won't do it.
Mind you, this is NOT very good option for private EV.
It is good for 24/7 run time taxi/delivery or other similar usage
pattern fleet. Not powerful and wasteful battery, though
gravimetric and volumetric energy densities are good.
Victor
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I had thought about the Zebra battery.. I didn't realize that
individuals could buy them and even so, the price is high.. something
like $500/kWh (less for volume, according to AC Prop).
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Bill - how about mounting one of those new-fangled small cameras on
the gas tank, er, somewhere up front on the bike? Or don't you have
enough spare power, lol?
Under one of the footpegs facing backwards would be really cool.
That way we could see tire too. There's a drag car on YouTube shot
like that. It is amazing.
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"wish NiMH was available".
I guess the NiMH batteries I'm using don't exist or my offer to sell
them didn't happen. It is sad really. I'm soon to disappear from this
list.
Jack
Danny Miller wrote:
No kidding. Lead may be a neurotoxin but cadmium is highly carcinogenic
and generally seems far more dangerous than lead.
Me, I fear what might come from widespread use of cadmium as EV
batteries with the average joe. Seeing that stuff handled by
lowest-bidder reclaimation facilities, carelessly dropped into landfills
by the hundreds of lbs, abandoned in scrapyards or even a ditch is kind
of scary.
Don't take that as any type of criticism of people currently running
them. I just really really wish NiMH was available. There's still an
issue of nickel toxicity but that seems to be a much lesser issue than
cadmium.
Danny
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
...and I wonder why SAFT charges so much for those NiCads? They -cant-
be that expensive to make. We're talking extremely mature technology.
Huh???
Have you checked the prices for Nickel recently? I wouldn't be surprised
if there was $100 or more worth of Nickel alone in each battery.
Cadmium went through a shortage a couple years ago, but I think the price
has dropped back to normal now.
Plus, I believe, Saft is required by EU regulations to recycle their
batteries. I gather that recycling NiCads isn't as simple, or cheap, as
recycling Lead-Acid batteries.
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Can individual li cells be connected in parallel to achieve the desired
discharge current and the paralleled cell banks connected in series to
get the required voltage? In this case can one shunt or equalizer per
bank of paralleled cells be used reducing the number or circuits
required by the factor of paralleled cells in a bank? me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter Gabrielsson
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Balancing Lithium batterys - how does this work?
> Yeah, not sure. It's tricky because the cells are always connected
> together in the pack so you always have different voltage potentials,
> so you can't easily transfer charge between them. You'd need some form
> of isolated charge transfer system, maybe relays and capacitors..? If
> anyone knows how active charge balancing works I'd be keen to know
> too!
There's a number of ways to do this. Lee Hart's battery balancer uses a
charger that is powered off of the full pack and switched to the weak
cell with relays. A microprocessors measures the cell voltages and
determines which cell need to be boosted.
Another way is to switch an energy storage device like a capacitor from
cell to cell, the capacitor will be charged from the highest potential
cell and discharged on the lower potential cells, thus eventually
equalizing the pack. This is not an ideal system for EVs though, the
equalizing is generally to weak to extend your range while driving.
The reason to use active balancing is to extend your range. In a long
series string of batteries the weakest battery determines your range,
when the weak battery reaches its cut off voltage you have to stop
driving, even if the rest of the pack has 50% charge left, or you'll
kill the weak cell and in case of lithium; that may result in a fire.
By using a Lee Hart style balancer you can prop up the weak cell and
keep driving.
-Peter
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www.electric-lemon.com
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Scott Littledike said:
"I have been reading the recent thread on charging lithium batteries and was
interested in how they should be balanced... Would a balancer scan each
individual cell voltage, and stop charging if any of the cells were
overcharged? Then, to top up the least charged cell - would the balancer
charge this cell individually, or would say, the cell be connected with
another in parallel (with some form of current limiting) to move charge
across?
Mick says: There are several approaches to balancing a battery string. Some
are more complicated than others. Simplest of all is the BattEQ(TM) balancer
which I distribute and which is now available in a lithium tweak to balance
individual 3.6 volt cells against each other.
The lithium BattEQ takes energy from the cells with higher than average
voltage, then dumps that energy into the cells with lower than average
voltage. If every lithium cell is maintained 24/7 at a voltage identical to
the others, (and ignoring for the moment temperature differences between the
cells) one then only needs to implement proper battery care for the balanced
string.
Temperature difference between the cells is a problem for BattEQ or for any
balancer that relies on cell voltage differential to drive a current
transfer. When the temperature varies, the state of charge relative to a
given voltage can change. The best advice I have here is to try to avoid
temperature variation within the pack.
Parties interested in the lithium tweak BattEQ for big batteries or for
small ones may contact me off list. Some info on this balancing solution is
available on my website, but the lithium tweak is not mentioned there.
Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com
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From: Randy Burleson
> I won't take anything away from the little guys who develop
> and invent in their own shops (heck, I am one!) or the small
> businesses who develop in their garages (HP and Apple), but
> I also won't take away from the big businesses, and I don't
> see why it has to be necessarily one or the other...
>
> There are advantages/disadvantages either way, and I'm not
> sure we gain much by flagellating who does what better or why...
> Does this discussion really help development of EVs?
I think it does. Hopefully, people will realize that good ideas can come from
*anywhere*; huge corporations or backyard experimenters. You can't disregard
either extreme. Instead, you have to look past the claims and rhetoric and
marketing "spin", and see what they have actually DONE.
--
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
doing it." -- Chinese proverb
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377
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The Corbin family should have stuck to things made for arseholes (seats, not
customers!), rather than things made by aresholes.
I got really fed up with Sparrow owners complaining about the bearings not
being up to the job (they're more than big enough), or failing because
they're sealed for life and can't be greased (like every modern wheel
bearing). As John has said they distorted the bearing housing in welding it
to the end of the swing arm and a distorted bearing will fail early. On some
of the early machines they welded them with the bearings installed! Purple
and blue bearing races really don't last long.
It's all fabricated, so if you have to ruin the shaft getting it out to
replace the bearings, it should be easy to weld a new section of shaft to
the hub.
BUT BEFORE YOU INSTALL NEW BEARINGS HAVE THE HOUSING CHECKED TO MAKE SURE
IT'S ROUND. IF IT'S NOT HAVE THE HIGH SPOTS BORED OUT!
Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.bvs.org.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Sparrow rear bearings.
I hear the orginal Sparrow rear bearing makes noise and should be left
alone. Well a "mechanic" got hold of one and mushroomed the shaft and got
a
drill stuck in the back hub trying to get the bearing out. Is there any
way
of replacing the orginal swingarm bearings without buying the Meyers
Motors
3k replacement? My machinist has it now & he's stumped on an inexpensive
fix. Lawrence Rhodes....
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I tried to e-mail you about my Elec motor and mail was returned twice.
What is your e-mail or address? Or your Phone #
Larry Cronk 72 Datsun electk
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SIGNOFF
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You can find Jim's contact info including his phone number on his website.
Of course he's usually got his email open in front of him while his shop
monkeys are doing all the work, so he has probably already replied to you
:-) Oh wait, the shop monkeys are back home now, so Jim has got to do all
the heavy lifting himself again...
http://hitorqueelectric.com/contact/
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Attn Jim Husted
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:12:46 EDT
I tried to e-mail you about my Elec motor and mail was returned
twice.
What is your e-mail or address? Or your Phone #
Larry Cronk 72 Datsun electk
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There are probably two reasons your offer is not being taken up. First many
on this list can afford to talk/type a lot more than they can afford to
spend money on there EV (real or dreamed up.) Second, we are all very
cautious of 1000's of small cells stitched together to make an EV sized
pack. There are just so many possible points of failure.
The NIMH batteries that do not exist because of patent sitting, are large
format EV sized cells, for instance a single 100ah cell. Of course it is
likely that even if they did exist few on this list would buy them do to the
money thing :-)
It's too bad you are thinking of leaving the list. It seems you have some
good expertise especially for the scooter crowd...
Damon
From: Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Intro
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:18:18 -0700
"wish NiMH was available".
I guess the NiMH batteries I'm using don't exist or my offer to sell them
didn't happen. It is sad really. I'm soon to disappear from this list.
Jack
Danny Miller wrote:
No kidding. Lead may be a neurotoxin but cadmium is highly carcinogenic
and generally seems far more dangerous than lead.
Me, I fear what might come from widespread use of cadmium as EV batteries
with the average joe. Seeing that stuff handled by lowest-bidder
reclaimation facilities, carelessly dropped into landfills by the hundreds
of lbs, abandoned in scrapyards or even a ditch is kind of scary.
Don't take that as any type of criticism of people currently running them.
I just really really wish NiMH was available. There's still an issue of
nickel toxicity but that seems to be a much lesser issue than cadmium.
Danny
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
...and I wonder why SAFT charges so much for those NiCads? They -cant-
be that expensive to make. We're talking extremely mature technology.
Huh???
Have you checked the prices for Nickel recently? I wouldn't be surprised
if there was $100 or more worth of Nickel alone in each battery.
Cadmium went through a shortage a couple years ago, but I think the price
has dropped back to normal now.
Plus, I believe, Saft is required by EU regulations to recycle their
batteries. I gather that recycling NiCads isn't as simple, or cheap, as
recycling Lead-Acid batteries.
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Just browsing around and came on these. Made me drool(more). :)
http://www.saftbatteries.com///060-MS_Military/50-30-10_produit.asp?sSegment
=Military+%26+Defence&sSegmentLien=10%2D10%2D10%5Fmilitary%2Easp&sSecteurLie
n=50%2D10%2D10%5FNaval%5Fapplication%2Easp&Secteur=Naval+application&Intitul
e_Produit=RA3
If my calculations are correct a 120v single string pack would weigh ~340#
and do 120 amps continuous for an hour + or 70 amps for 2 hours. Compared to
this Li-Ion:
http://www.saftbatteries.com/130-Catalogue/PDF/mp_176065_integration.pdf
which looks pretty potent to me and would do the equivalent output at ~850#
(2742 cells).
I'm not even going to try and imagine what they cost.
Good hunting
David Hankins
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Hey all
Thanks Chris, I haven't got an email (unless it had a
non-discript subject and I deleted by mistake) ^o
Actually now is a good time to address this being I
get spammed to death here so please "subject" "motor"
somewhere or I might not see it and delete. I've
opened some I was going to delete and found they were
actually to me.
Anyway I did respond privately.
Thanks all
You know I try to be very available, don't know what
happened. ^)
Cya
Jim Husted
--- Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 15:12 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I tried to e-mail you about my Elec motor and
> mail was returned twice.
> > What is your e-mail or address? Or your Phone #
> > Larry
> Cronk 72 Datsun electk
> >
>
> To which address did you attempt to send the email?
> I helped Jim to set
> up his website and I also set up his address
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so if you're having
> trouble with that
> one, it may be something I need to fix...
>
> I'm CC'ing to both those addresses here, so if the
> server sends a
> bounce, I can read it and see what's going on.
>
> --
> Christopher Robison
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre +
> Z2K + Warp13!
>
>
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Jack, maybe you could repeat your offer? I remember it and *think* that I
filed the post somewhere but there's so much message traffic that it's easy for
things to get lost.
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From: Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 2:18:18 PM
Subject: Re: Intro
"wish NiMH was available".
I guess the NiMH batteries I'm using don't exist or my offer to sell
them didn't happen. It is sad really. I'm soon to disappear from this
list.
Jack
Danny Miller wrote:
> No kidding. Lead may be a neurotoxin but cadmium is highly carcinogenic
> and generally seems far more dangerous than lead.
>
> Me, I fear what might come from widespread use of cadmium as EV
> batteries with the average joe. Seeing that stuff handled by
> lowest-bidder reclaimation facilities, carelessly dropped into landfills
> by the hundreds of lbs, abandoned in scrapyards or even a ditch is kind
> of scary.
>
> Don't take that as any type of criticism of people currently running
> them. I just really really wish NiMH was available. There's still an
> issue of nickel toxicity but that seems to be a much lesser issue than
> cadmium.
>
> Danny
>
> Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>
>>> ...and I wonder why SAFT charges so much for those NiCads? They -cant-
>>> be that expensive to make. We're talking extremely mature technology.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Huh???
>> Have you checked the prices for Nickel recently? I wouldn't be surprised
>> if there was $100 or more worth of Nickel alone in each battery.
>> Cadmium went through a shortage a couple years ago, but I think the price
>> has dropped back to normal now.
>>
>> Plus, I believe, Saft is required by EU regulations to recycle their
>> batteries. I gather that recycling NiCads isn't as simple, or cheap, as
>> recycling Lead-Acid batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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This is great to hear from the students themselves and the
enthusiasm. Good job Michael!
And I agree with Lee.
Hands-on experience and practical theory, in my opinion is the best
classroom. Sitting in a school classroom learning about theories
scribbled out on a chalkboard doesn't have the same effect as
learning out in the garage and race track.
And there are some PROVEN success stories. Some of the students at
Shenandoah Valley Regional Governor's School graduated from the EV
program there to become involved in the EV program at West Virginia
University. Roy Nutter, who is a professor at WVU can attest to that.
Those kids probably did pretty well in their high school standardized
tests and the SATs to get into college, even though they were out
tinkering in the garage on their electric 240-Z and Porsche.
I do see Bob's take on the issue. Testing is important and has its
place. But I believe it can go too far. "No Child Left Behind" has
put a big emphasis on statewide testing to the detriment of those
bright students who often do poorly in testing situations. They are
often the ones that get left behind. State schools strive to do well
in standardized testing so they can continue to receive federal and
state funding. But that goal often overshadows the individual needs
of the students, particularly those that need educational assistance.
These garage programs won't replace testing and if anything can only
enhance academic knowledge. They can fill the educational void that I
believe state administered testing creates.
We actually need to step it up and get even more schools involved in
EV garage programs.
And I have a question for Bob. Does he have the same concern with
high school sports?
Chip Gribben
On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
From: "Michael Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: April 8, 2007 11:48:04 PM EDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
Personally as a High-School student I believe that doing my EV
conversion is going to teach me so much. Such as electrical
circuits, Physics, Mathematics. I mean what isn't there to learn
from an EV conversion. Also it deals with Earth Sciences, and also
stuff like CWI (current world issues). Also kids will be able to
learn basic mechanics and all the auto-shop skills that a normal
Auto class provides. So I think that it should be a high priority
to get something like this started in public High-Schools, and it
doesn't have to be a class, it could be something like an after-
school club/activity.
Also I think that there will be plenty of students willing to do
something like this. Just talking to my friends about my Datsun
that My dad and I are converting, it kinda makes them jelous.
Anyway that's my two-bits
~Michael (Damon's Son)
Btw, 1st post!
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0400 (EDT)
>> When I see "racing" and "competition", I fear the
>> education component is about to go by the wayside,
>> and a teacher is about to get a note in the file,
>> if not fired, for failing to carry out state and
>> district-mandated objectives. That's our (teachers')
>> job.
From: BadFishRacing
> Woah Bob. Am I misunderstanding, or are you saying "Racing"
> and "Competition" is not educational?
'Fraid so!
"All children are born scientists and engineers. Watch them at
play; they are experimenting, building, and learning. That's
engineering! Then we spend years in school squashing it out of them."
-- Geoffrey Orsak, dean of engineering, Southern Methodist University
The hardest part of our BEST program is to avoid the testing and
"cookie cutter" approach to education mandated by the government
and school administration. For the most part, we "fly below their
radar". BEST gives kids a direct, personal reason for learning --
they want to build things! And, we spend more time teaching them
*how* to think, and less on *what* to think.
In BEST, there are no tests; if it works, it's good, and the kids
can judge that for themselves. Copying or looking up answers is
not cheating; it's how you learn and move forward. There are no
authorities; only experts.
The teachers we work with need to be comfortable operating outside
the "official" curriculum. It's getting harder and harder, as
administrations keep trying to micro-manage things ever more
rigorously in the classroom.
--
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
doing it." -- Chinese proverb
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377
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Short answer, yes. This is what Tesla and ACP are doing, laptop
batteries are also usually 3P3S strings.
On 4/9/07, Eidson, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can individual li cells be connected in parallel to achieve the desired
discharge current and the paralleled cell banks connected in series to
get the required voltage? In this case can one shunt or equalizer per
bank of paralleled cells be used reducing the number or circuits
required by the factor of paralleled cells in a bank? me
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter Gabrielsson
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Balancing Lithium batterys - how does this work?
> Yeah, not sure. It's tricky because the cells are always connected
> together in the pack so you always have different voltage potentials,
> so you can't easily transfer charge between them. You'd need some form
> of isolated charge transfer system, maybe relays and capacitors..? If
> anyone knows how active charge balancing works I'd be keen to know
> too!
There's a number of ways to do this. Lee Hart's battery balancer uses a
charger that is powered off of the full pack and switched to the weak
cell with relays. A microprocessors measures the cell voltages and
determines which cell need to be boosted.
Another way is to switch an energy storage device like a capacitor from
cell to cell, the capacitor will be charged from the highest potential
cell and discharged on the lower potential cells, thus eventually
equalizing the pack. This is not an ideal system for EVs though, the
equalizing is generally to weak to extend your range while driving.
The reason to use active balancing is to extend your range. In a long
series string of batteries the weakest battery determines your range,
when the weak battery reaches its cut off voltage you have to stop
driving, even if the rest of the pack has 50% charge left, or you'll
kill the weak cell and in case of lithium; that may result in a fire.
By using a Lee Hart style balancer you can prop up the weak cell and
keep driving.
-Peter
--
www.electric-lemon.com
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www.electric-lemon.com
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The spam you're getting -- is it primarily addressed to your yahoo
account? As I recall you're still having your
[EMAIL PROTECTED] email forwarded to your yahoo account, so
it may be difficult to tell which address was initially targeted by the
spam (my guess is, you're probably receiving spam with both addresses).
You can often view the "full headers" in your email program (in this
case, the Yahoo mail website) to see which address it is.
We could get you set up to use your Dreamhost-based email address for
everything, but the trouble is that Dreamhost's spam filtering isn't
very good, and they've stated directly to Mark Farver that it's not a
priority for them. So to do filtering properly, you have to roll your
own. In the short term, Yahoo's filtering may be the best option.
Do you report spam emails to Yahoo, using their website feature for
doing so?
--chris
On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 12:38 -0700, Jim Husted wrote:
> Hey all
>
> Thanks Chris, I haven't got an email (unless it had a
> non-discript subject and I deleted by mistake) ^o
>
> Actually now is a good time to address this being I
> get spammed to death here so please "subject" "motor"
> somewhere or I might not see it and delete. I've
> opened some I was going to delete and found they were
> actually to me.
>
> Anyway I did respond privately.
>
> Thanks all
>
> You know I try to be very available, don't know what
> happened. ^)
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
>
>
> --- Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 15:12 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > I tried to e-mail you about my Elec motor and
> > mail was returned twice.
> > > What is your e-mail or address? Or your Phone #
> > > Larry
> > Cronk 72 Datsun electk
> > >
> >
> > To which address did you attempt to send the email?
> > I helped Jim to set
> > up his website and I also set up his address
> > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so if you're having
> > trouble with that
> > one, it may be something I need to fix...
> >
> > I'm CC'ing to both those addresses here, so if the
> > server sends a
> > bounce, I can read it and see what's going on.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Robison
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre +
> > Z2K + Warp13!
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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Hey Chris
Thanks for jumping in here 8^) Not sure which
adddress is getting spammed probably both. Yahoo does
a good job of screening them but it also screens
others as well, like bruce parmenters as well as a few
other guys. I don't read EVerything that goes onto
the list as I'd have no life, lol.
Anyway I'm at work and beating cheeks so I'll write
more later, been wanting to just give ya a write just
to chat.
Cya
Jim
--- Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The spam you're getting -- is it primarily addressed
> to your yahoo
> account? As I recall you're still having your
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] email forwarded to your
> yahoo account, so
> it may be difficult to tell which address was
> initially targeted by the
> spam (my guess is, you're probably receiving spam
> with both addresses).
> You can often view the "full headers" in your email
> program (in this
> case, the Yahoo mail website) to see which address
> it is.
>
> We could get you set up to use your Dreamhost-based
> email address for
> everything, but the trouble is that Dreamhost's spam
> filtering isn't
> very good, and they've stated directly to Mark
> Farver that it's not a
> priority for them. So to do filtering properly, you
> have to roll your
> own. In the short term, Yahoo's filtering may be
> the best option.
>
> Do you report spam emails to Yahoo, using their
> website feature for
> doing so?
>
> --chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 12:38 -0700, Jim Husted wrote:
> > Hey all
> >
> > Thanks Chris, I haven't got an email (unless it
> had a
> > non-discript subject and I deleted by mistake) ^o
> >
> > Actually now is a good time to address this being
> I
> > get spammed to death here so please "subject"
> "motor"
> > somewhere or I might not see it and delete. I've
> > opened some I was going to delete and found they
> were
> > actually to me.
> >
> > Anyway I did respond privately.
> >
> > Thanks all
> >
> > You know I try to be very available, don't know
> what
> > happened. ^)
> >
> > Cya
> > Jim Husted
> >
> >
> > --- Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 15:12 -0400,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > > > I tried to e-mail you about my Elec motor
> and
> > > mail was returned twice.
> > > > What is your e-mail or address? Or your Phone
> #
> > > >
> Larry
> > > Cronk 72 Datsun electk
> > > >
> > >
> > > To which address did you attempt to send the
> email?
> > > I helped Jim to set
> > > up his website and I also set up his address
> > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so if you're
> having
> > > trouble with that
> > > one, it may be something I need to fix...
> > >
> > > I'm CC'ing to both those addresses here, so if
> the
> > > server sends a
> > > bounce, I can read it and see what's going on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Robison
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre
> +
> > > Z2K + Warp13!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> > Bored stiff? Loosen up...
> > Download and play hundreds of games for free on
> Yahoo! Games.
> > http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
> >
> --
> Christopher Robison
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre +
> Z2K + Warp13!
>
>
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We are all being demanding customers here, so apologies in advance. It would
also be great to put the time and speed in text on the video. I'd also suggest
putting http://www.killacycle.com text right on the video, too. This is really
easy to do in Windows Movie Maker, or I would be happy to put it on a video for
you.
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for what its worth,, were starting our 29th EV conversion. might not seem like
alot, but it keeps me busy. also, the adapter plate and drive hub part of the
business is going great,
we have 2 VW s to do, 2 S-10s, and a Ranger to finish .
The front motor mount I make is so simple,and will work on GM,Ford, and
Dodges ,,gotta love doing it simple Wayne www.ev-blue.com
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Thanks for the suggestion! It's one that I would have
not thought of by myself, not being a video-editor
type. But a good enough suggestion that I think I'll
try to figure out how to do that. Derek has been
bugging me to lend him my digitizer so he can digitize
his analog camcorder footage, and we have been talking
about combining the video of each run, from each
viewpoint that we have. I'm sure someone else would
do a better job of editing it; I was just going to do
one run after another.
Of course, after the www.killacycle.com text, there
whould be "www.NEDRA.com" :-)
All it take is time; so many projects, so little
time....
- Steven Ciciora
--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are all being demanding customers here, so
> apologies in advance. It would also be great to put
> the time and speed in text on the video. I'd also
> suggest putting http://www.killacycle.com text right
> on the video, too. This is really easy to do in
> Windows Movie Maker, or I would be happy to put it
> on a video for you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos'
> Green Center.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
>
>
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Amen...
~Michael
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <[email protected]>
Subject: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:47:42 -0700
Almost all the EV Drag Videos are from one perspective and one only.
THE TAKE OFF... Its GREAT but....
Its wonderful, but will some one, Please, get a small team, say THREE folks
...Three Cameras... One at take off, one Mid Track, and ONE near the
FINISH, showing the Car/Motorcycle/whatever AT SPEED !!! Then just Stitch
the three pieces into a KILLER 10 second Video...
Almost all the videos to date, just show this little DOT of a vehicle
disappearing into the distance... And of course that is not the whole
STORY is it. I would like to see the bike going by at 150 + I think
that could be JUST as dramatic as the tremendous LAUNCH.
What do you folks THINK...??
--
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Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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Hey Wayne, which Dodge? Will it also fit the D-50? If so you could say
Mitsubishi Mightymax as well.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: Sharon G Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 9, 2007 1:48 pm
Subject: another one
To: [email protected]
> for what its worth,, were starting our 29th EV conversion. might
> not seem like alot, but it keeps me busy. also, the adapter plate
> and drive hub part of the business is going great,
> we have 2 VW s to do, 2 S-10s, and a Ranger to finish .
> The front motor mount I make is so simple,and will work on
> GM,Ford, and Dodges ,,gotta love doing it simple Wayne
> www.ev-blue.com
>
>
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> It is a misconception that drawing high currents from deep cycle batteries
> is always bad. If certain rules are followed, drawing high currents
> (within
> safe limits, and not letting the Voltage drop below 1.2 VPC at high
> currents) for short periods of time does not cause any damage to the
> battery.
>
As I understand it, the tough part is making sure that NONE of the cells
drop below 1.2V which can be a bit tricky when you have a series string of
60 or more cells.
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junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I
wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long
legalistic signature is void.
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On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 01:54:21PM -0700, Jim Husted wrote:
> Hey Chris
>
> Thanks for jumping in here 8^) Not sure which
> adddress is getting spammed probably both. Yahoo does
> a good job of screening them but it also screens
> others as well, like bruce parmenters as well as a few
> other guys. I don't read EVerything that goes onto
> the list as I'd have no life, lol.
>
get a gmail account... no more lost mail. no more spam...
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http://www.carfun.cl | Violets are #0000FF
http://ev.nn.cl | All my base Are belong to you
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> You can't overcharge Li-Ion cells without doing some degree of
> damage, so you must have some sort of electronic balancing to make up
> for differences in state of charge due to variation in self-discharge
> and variations in charge efficiency.
With a single 12-series string of A123's, would a simple regulator across each
cell be sufficient?
I'm going to replace the pack on my wife's e-bike with a set of A123 cells
soon, so the current discussion on Li-ion charging has been very useful.
Cheers,
Claudio
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I suspect the technology and quality control are still in early stages.
We have people using B-5, B-10, B-20, B-50 and B-100. I am sure they
all work a little differently. And over variations include soybean oil,
or corn oil base or recycled vegetable oil. They are ALL bio-diesel.
And all have varying burn characteristics.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Russell
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OT: SVO, was: EV APU (Biodiesel) emissions & FE
Somewhere in the report it talk specifically about NOx. It seems that
NOx levels varied by the engine used and the duty cycle of the
engine. Some had lower levels with Bio and some had higher.
Also, as the cetane level goes up the NOx levels went down.
If you could figure out why some engines had lower NOx and could
design for it then you could easily show an improvement in all
categories.
Also the report states that you get about a 2% increase in fuel
consumption, yet some people report getting better fuel milage with
Bio than Petro diesel. Why? I dunno.
John Boy
On Apr 7, 2007, at 7:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> As green as electricity, no.
>
>> Here is a study of Biodiesel emissions published by the EPA in 2002:
>> http://www.epa.gov/OMS/models/analysis/biodsl/p02001.pdf
>
>> Here is a pro-Bio primer on Biodiesel: http://www.biodiesel.org.au/
>> biodieselfacts.htm
>
>> I can't seem to find anything that makes an argument against Bio use
>> in cars and trucks outside of extremely cold weather.
>
> Thanks for that link - any similar studies using unaltered
> vegetable oil
> (WVO/SVO) like I feed my old 300SD? Would love to see a plug-in
> hybrid that
> would take *any* oil-type fuel...but how to address that increase
> in NOx?
>
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