On 27 Feb 2013 at 10:10, Electric Blue auto convertions wrote:

> But yet some poor sap that can hardly buy food can do it in his garage for
> about 1/250th of the price and make it work the first time out

Now there's an interesting question.  Who here has built a really low-cost 
EV and would like to tell us how he/she did it?

I seem to recall the Lee Hart has built some bargain-basement conversions. 
EVDL old-timers will also recall Bob Rice talking about his "duct tape and 
baling wire" style EV creations.

Another one that stands out in my mind is the Forkenswift, originally built 
some years back for around $1000, IIRC.  That's roughly 1/21 of the $21,300 
base cost of a stripped-down Nissan Leaf (after the federal tax credits). 

It wasn't 1/250 of the cost (I wish!), and you couldn't drive it on the 
innerbelt (too slow), but it was definitely a lot cheaper than the shiny new 
factory EVs.

> All these car companies are building a "new EV", but I never see them,
> just a prototype that never hits the streets. 

I too was skeptical for many years, having read too many promises back in 
the 1970s.  I'm now cautiously optimistic.  

We're at the point where I could walk into a Nissan dealer, hand them a 
check, and drive out in an EV, something that 10 years ago I honestly 
thought would never happen in the USA.  

Now, let's see if it continues and grows.  I keep wondering how long it'll 
be before Nissan (and Tesla and GM and ____) say "Sorry, sales just aren't 
good enough, we have to discontinue our EVs."

Factory EVs have opened up the field to more people.  

Fifteen years ago, your EV choices were pretty limited.  If you had good 
mechanical skills and time, and were in reasonable physical condition, you 
could convert your own.  If you had lots of money, you could buy a nice 
factory conversion (a Solectria Force cost 2.5 to 3 times what the base Geo 
Metro cost).  

Or you could hire someone to do a conversion for you - if you could find 
such a shop.  Unless you were on the west coast, most likely you'd have to 
go out of state and have your EV shipped in.  If there were problems, good 
luck.  

No matter what the source, if you wanted or needed a car that you could just 
take to the corner mechanic when it needed service, forget it.  EV owners 
had to either be mechanically adept or know someone who was.

Today, if you WANT to do your own maintenance and repair, conversion is 
still your best approach.  But - at least for now - the field of EV 
ownership is much more open than it used to be.  That's a good thing.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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