In the past, I have put in requests for EV Charging spots at my company's work sites, and at buildings the company had leased. The two are different beasts and take different approaches. But first I ask that you take a look at http://recargo.com/search?search=fremont%2C+ca&commit=Search&filters%5B%5D=1772&filters%5B%5D=cha&filters%5B%5D=oc1430&filters%5B%5D=oc1450&filters%5B%5D=ocl630&filters%5B%5D=oc
-How far away is public EVSE from that leased building? If the charging at that leased building site does not happen, is there public EVSE nearby? -What plugins will use the charging and for how long during the day? i.e.: there is a business need to charge fast at 6kW L2 for a few hours, or will the plugin be parked while the driver works inside for 8+ hours (meaning level-1, or a 3kW level-2 is enough). As posted, leased building management would likely not be interested in the high cost of a formal 6kW j1772 L2 EVSE installation even when you bring in the EVSE sales rep team of your choice to make the sales pitch and use Fed and State funds/grants to offset the costs. Leased building management would likely want to make the least amount of effort/expenditure. The EV Charging package deals EVSE sales reps offer using Fed/State funds do give serious discounts in the total cost of a formal L2 j1772 installation, but depending on the deal EVSE sales reps offer, the owner (or someone) will have to pay for: - running of the power (conduit, wiring, electrician wages, city permits, +more) - signage and painting of the space(s) - a portion of the EVSE cost These could be quite high from lease management's perspective. If that is the case, you may want to take a different lower cost, non-j1772 approach. To label a parking spot as 'EV charging', it really only needs to have a 5-20 level-1 outlet. If it happens to have other outlets, that is not prohibited. Take a look at http://www.evchargernews.com/photos/94301_1a.jpg Originally the EV spot had only 5-20 and 6-20 outlets as shown. The Avcon shown was added later. This is an old image, as the check-ins at the bottom of http://www.recargo.com/sites/690 report the space now has a L2 j1772 EVSE. Most likely the Avcon was replaced with a j1772 EVSE, and the outlets are still there (on and available). Or instead of two electrical boxes, one 5-20 and one 6-20 as the image shows, a simpler way is to use a combination-receptacle that has both (5-20 & 6-20) in one duplex electrical box: The Hubble HBL5492I Combination Duplex, NEMA 5-20R & 6-20R, 2 Pole 3 Wire, 20A 125V, 20A 250V http://www.hubbellcatalog.com/wiring/section-a-datasheet.asp?FAM=Straight_Blade&PN=HBL5492I http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=HBL5492I&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1 The additional cost of signage and space painting could also be dropped if the outlets are installed in least used regular parking spaces without signage: it is likely a plugin will be able to park near and access the outlets via an extension cord. This method is also good if lease management does not want any EV-Only parking spaces. As you can see, if costs have-to be kept to a minimum and or plugin charging kept on the down-low (no parking spaces labeled as EV-only), then regular outlets mounted in parking spaces way in the back where no one wants to park, may be an inexpensive charging solution. My experience: Years ago, I have made requests for the formal level-1 and level-2 charging at several work sites (Cupertino, Palo Alto, Mt. View, etc.). This was a fairly easy task when the company owned the buildings: they had their own company electricians that knew the most cost-effective location to save the company money. When I worked out of a leased building for the Mt. View Sales and Support team, it was a small site that did not have their own electrician(s) like the owned buildings did. I got an outside electrician to come-in, check-out the available power, and make a cost proposal to management. Since it was only installing what is considered regular outlets (at the time, a 5-30L & a 5-20 duplex outlet, both in weather tight enclosures mounted on a metal post cemented in front of a parking space), it was not a problem for lease management ('You want outlets, OK'). Later, when a sign was placed on that post stating it was EV-Only, that was no big deal either: it was promptly ignored and the space was usually ice'd. I got around that by coming in early, and leaving an orange safety cone in front of the empty space when I would leave for home. You can see the spot at http://brucedp.150m.com/escort/escort991221-15.jpg http://brucedp.150m.com/escort/ That was years ago, and perhaps simpler times. But what I have mentioned may still applicable for your purposes. Whatever you decide is the right for your needs (full blown j1772 L2 or low cost L1 & 3kW L2 outlets), doing a lot of the legwork yourself with let you be more successful. Just going to management with your demands, and expecting them to do all the work is going to be an easy 'NO' on their part. But if you have found the power panels near least used parking spaces that have available capacity, contacted an electrician to provide an expected installation cost, gathered the needed information, and have done all the leg work for management, it might be easier for management to say 'yes', and take all the accolades without the actual effort. I always have had better success if I let someone else take credit for my work (I would take solace that the task got done). {brucedp.150m.com} - On Fri, May 3, 2013, at 04:43 PM, Cor van de Water wrote: > Question for the folks familiar with installation of EV pedestals > in the SF Bay area and more specifically in Fremont, CA. > The question is how to convince the owner of (leased) office building > to put in EV charging for some of the parking at his building? > > Especially if this can be done at low or no cost to the owner, so it > does not impact the bottom line of a lease agreement. > > Any pointers appreciated - I though I'd ask here first to make good > on my promise to investigate the feasibility of this question. - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
