Hello,

Thanks for all of the advice and links.  I never thought about pitting
the auto stores against one another, I'll give it a try.

I started my engineering career working for Globe Union which was
eventually purchased by Johnson Controls.  Globe Union's batteries were
great, but the specific line that they sold to Sears (Diehard) was even
better.  Sears had tighter specifications than Globe Union.  Because
the Johnson Control batteries are re-branded, I'm not sure how to find
them.  I wasn't aware that Duralast was one of the brands.

I guess now I have some serious haggling to do.

Thanks again,
Mike

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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: jerry freedomev <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded Lead Acid Purchase


 
   Hi Bruce and All,
 
                           I've found Deka/East Penn to be as good as
Trojan at a lot lower price, under $100, I got  215amphrs ones for $80. 
                           Trojan seems to think theirs are gold and US
Batts not much better. 
                            I wouldn't buy an Exide at all as terrible
QC, products that die early plus they just declared bankruptcy from
their bad business practices. Also Johnson Controls/JC seem to be real
good though usually under a brand name like Duralast.  Auto stores will
serious bargain with you and I recently bought so 115amphr gp 29 true
deep cycle JC, Duralast for only $80 each from Auto Zone for my EV
Streamliner.  List is about $190 as an example.   Play one against the
other until you get a good deal can save you $100's anywhere in the
country. Speaking of the Streamliner I just got the front lower fairing
done in a beautiful clear finish mahogany, putting in the new larger
batteries and a manual contactor controller I built from scratch. Jerry
Dycus 

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 From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded Lead Acid Purchase
  

I have used Trojan T-125's and their USBattery equivalent US125's.
My experience may be different than yours but I found our local SF
Trojan dealer not interested in selling 22 T-125 batteries to me, let
alone delaying the pickup of dead cores until I had swapped out the
pack. The Trojan batteries cost more, lasted longer (energy and cycles),
but my local dealer was awful.

On the other hand, the SF Bay area USBattery rep, Jim Ramos had a better
pack price, excellent customer service (he would come back at a later
date to pick up the dead cores), and a long standing reputation as
EV-friendly.

In talking to other USBattery reps in different parts of the U.S., I
found I was spoiled by the excellent service from Jim (not all battery
reps are alike, Trojan or otherwise). So, contact  each battery rep in
your area, and see which has the best price and EV-friendly service.

USBatteries are good batteries, but they are one step less performing
than a Trojan. I suggest seeking Trojan, then USBattery, before
considering other brands. With other brands, I have heard stories of
inconsistent quality, weak posts, bad seals on cell covers (poor plastic
molding), old-date batteries sold with newer ones (some dealers are used
to selling one or two batteries and not familiar with selling larger
quantity of batteries), etc.

Using search terms of    Phoenix, AZ T-125
returned different battery dealers near you:

http://www.trojanbattery.com/tools/dealers.aspx?zip=85015&x=62&y=10
T-125 Trojan

http://www.usbattery.com/usb_az_contacts.html
US-125 USBattery

http://localdirectory.azcentral.com/exide+corp.9.458115p.home.html
GC-135 Exide

http://goo.gl/maps/DJY4q
Interstate batteries near Phoenix, AZ
2300 Interstate

http://www.copperstatebattery.com/crown.php
CR-235 Crown


{brucedp.150m.com}



On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 01:30 PM, Michael A. Radtke wrote: ...
> Since I was not able to by my i-MiEV, I'm looking to purchase 17
> Trojan T-125's or equivalent for my ElectraVan.  I'm in Phoenix, AZ.
> Does anyone have a suggestion for sources to check?
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