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regrets I've since forgotten your name. |
Yours Truly,
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From: robert winfield <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rising Gas Prices Help Economic Case for Electric Cars
slitely OT since a Prius is a very weak hybrid, but I have every fillup in an
excel spreadsheet and in 145,000+ miles got real world 45.08mpg in 7yrs, 10
months
From: Chris Tromley <[email protected]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rising Gas Prices Help Economic Case for Electric Cars
My current motorcycle is very fuel efficient (sorry, no time to convert
it). I made a simple Excel spreadsheet that allows me to enter miles,
gallons and cost at each fill-up. It then displays tank average mpg,
lifetime mpg, and dollar savings per tank and overall compared to our 26
mpg gas car. The savings add up fast.
A similar spreadsheet could be written for an EV. I think if more people
did it there would be much more discussion of savings from EVs. And people
would see that when it comes time to replace a tired pack for $10k, it's
not so bad considering their lifetime savings are maybe $12k at that point.
Chris
On Jul 23, 2013 4:46 AM, "brucedp5" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.plugincars.com/rising-gasoline-prices-help-electric-cars-make-economic-sense-127740.html
> Rising Gas Prices Help Economic Case for Electric Cars
> By David Herron July 16, 2013
>
> [image
> http://www.plugincars.com/sites/default/files/Gas-prices-rising-620.jpg
> ]
>
> Those of us who drive electric cars might be blissfully unaware that U.S.
> average gasoline prices have jumped nearly 15 cents in the last week. If
> the
> price continues to rise, as the U.S. Energy Information Administration
> predicts, then drivers of inefficient gas-powered cars could really start
> feeling some pain. But how far do gas prices need to rise, and how much
> pain
> must arrive at the pumps, before the balance of mainstream consumer
> interest
> tips decisively toward electric vehicles?
>
> Based solely on fuel price, electric cars are a huge win over gasoline or
> diesel powered equivalents. That's because electricity as a fuel is not
> only
> cheaper than gasoline, but its prices is more stable (thanks to a regulated
> electricity market). Of course, don't forget to add lower maintenance costs
> for electric vehicles on the ledger in favor EV economics.
> Apples to Apples?
>
> The national average price of gasoline is $3.67 a gallon, but what is the
> equivalent for electric fuel? We can't directly compare the two because
> electricity doesn't come in gallons. It's supplied in kilowatt-hours. Yet,
> there is a way to calculate the equivalency: according to the U.S.
> Department of Energy, the national average equivalent is $1.18 an eGallon.
> That's a whopping $2.50 a gallon in savings.
>
> If you want to perform the calculation yourself, here's the formula used by
> the D.O.E. to determine the price of an eGallon:
>
> eGallon ($/gal) = EP * FE * EC
>
> Department of Energy eGallon Methodology
>
> The entries in the formula are FE = fuel economy of a gasoline car
> (miles/gallon); EC = electricity consumption (kilowatt-hours/mile) for an
> electric car; and EP = electricity price ($/kilowatt-hour). This is a tool
> you can use to compare between specific gasoline and electric cars, while
> accounting for the price you pay for electricity.
> Tipping Point
>
> Obviously, savings go up when the gasoline prices rise, or electricity
> prices fall. It helps that many utilities grant favorable electricity rates
> to electric vehicle owners, especially if they charge their vehicle after
> midnight.
>
> But here's the nagging question: Are the savings at the pump enough for
> consumers to overcome any upfront price premium for an electric car?
> Battery
> packs are expensive. Many analysts believe battery pack prices will drop
> over the next few years, due to improvements in technology and economies of
> scale. A year ago, McKinsey Quarterly predicted a dramatic price decrease
> for battery packs by 2020 to 2025, and in May, G.M's chief executive Dan
> Akerson said the next generation Volt would be a lot cheaper.
>
> So, given that fuel savings help pay for the premium, fluctuations in gas
> prices are more likely to have an immediate impact on consumer perception
> about the economics of EVs, instead of falling battery prices that move on
> a
> more steady long-term incremental path.
>
> Regardless, at some point, there will be a major convergence, when the two
> trend lines—rising gasoline prices and falling battery prices—crisscross to
> tip the balance toward electric vehicles. We might get little previews of
> that future in the coming weeks as gas prices rise, but unfortunately, we
> don't when a major tipping point will occur. It could be a matter of weeks,
> or might take many years.
> [©2013 PluginCars.com]
>
>
>
>
> For all EVLN posts use:
>
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>
> Here are today's archive-only EV posts:
>
> EVLN: Andretti Autosport Racing Electrics in September 2014
> EVLN: 4500% Increase In UK's Electric Highway Use
> EVLN: Goodwood FoS: Podium Finish For Drayson Racing EV
> EVLN: Spark EV, The Best Electric Car You Can’t Buy
> EVLN: Tesla "confident" Model S production will increase by ~2015
> +
> EVLN: How Long Do EV Batteries Last? Tesla Gives Our Answer
>
>
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>
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