Hi Rick,

Yes Li is cheaper (and Pb more expensive) but if you haven't got the cash...  

I posted earlier in reply to Peter that it seemed a shame that there are not 
low cost loans for Li.  Since then the thought has occurred that another 
possibility might be that some entrepreneurial chap who has lead a full, 
successful and reward personal and business life, one who no longer feels the 
need to prove himself, getting on toward his sunset years, who has made a *pot* 
of money and runs a business selling EV parts might be feeling sufficiently 
philanthropic to do a low cost loan system of payment for his Li cells.  

Make enough on them to pay for the overheads and hassle but no-where near what 
a bank-er would charge...  Anyone out there that matches that description...??

MW



On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:04, Rick Beebe wrote:

> I have a 144-volt 1998 Ford Ranger that I'm converting from lead to
> lithium. 18 months ago the 24 Interstate 6-volt batteries in it cost
> just over $3400. The previous pack--also Interstate because they're just
> down the road--lasted 5 years and 15000 miles.
> 
> The replacement pack of 45 CALB CA100's cost slightly over $5400. I
> think that even though they are less than half the Ah capacity that I
> will have equal or greater range because of being able to use more of
> that capacity and because the truck will be 1300 pounds lighter. I'll be
> spending less on electricity too. Currently the truck uses 350Wh/mi and
> I believe that will drop to 250. I'm also expecting much better cold
> weather performance and that they will last much longer than 5 years. Oh
> yeah and I don't have to water them.
> 
> Those advantage would make lithium a no-brainer to me in a new
> conversion. I wouldn't even consider lead any more.
> 
> In this case the decision was a little harder. I wanted to convert to
> lithium but was planning to wait a year. The current pack is working
> great and I'm driving the truck often. But winter is coming. The decider
> was actually Tesla. I bought a small lot of Tesla stock at $25 a couple
> years ago. The recent explosion in the stock price let me afford to do
> the conversion now.
> 
> Full disclosure is that the conversion is actually costing slightly over
> $8000 because in addition to the cells I needed a new charger,
> interconnects, some new instrumentation, and battery boxes.
> 
> Obviously not inexpensive now, but I think I will save a fair amount of
> money over the next decade.
> 
> --Rick
> 
> 
> On 10/03/2013 03:23 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Would you be prepared to tell us all what that 3.5 years of lead cost? Be 
>> honest, now!
>> 
>> MW
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 Oct 2013, at 16:10, SLPinfo.org wrote:
>> 
>>> Sam,
>>> 
>>> The range would be quite different because 6 volt batts have greater
>>> Amp-Hour (AH) capacity than 12 volt.  Typical 6v golf cart batts hold
>>> 200-220 AH while most 12v batts only hold 100-120 AH.
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