Peri,

I didn't meant to direct anything toward anyone.  I was just riffing on it.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Peri Hartman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes, you are correct.  Believe me, asking first is always a good idea (if
> you can).  That wasn't my point.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Michael Ross
> Sent: 04 December, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner charged w/ stealing $0.05 worth
> ofjuice(video)
>
> If one is Buddhist the suggestion is that you do not want to take what is
> not freely given, ever; and to give freely what you are able.  In Islam,
> Christianity, Judaism, and those that I missed, you have a similar, but
> differently worded suggestion.
>
> In Buddhism one of the many reasons not to do this is to not to wind up
> people who would get upset. You have to know that even though it is
> insignificant, that doing so puts you in a category of people who do not
> ask first.  It also, reinforces that idea that not asking will always be
> welcomed which will inevitably cause trouble in your heart and in the
> world.  Just the way it is.
>
> I was having a connector issue once and went to a nice looking church to
> ask if I could plug in and recharge.  This vehicle takes 1kW to charge
> fully so I was asking for about $0.12 of power.  The secretary could not
> bring herself to let me do this without asking the pastor (on the phone for
> a very long time).  Partly, I think she did not believe that it would be
> only $0.12.  People cannot understand how little power it takes to go a
> useful distance, and the  automatic assumption is that it will be a lot.  I
> offered to write a check for $10.  No go.  I gave up and pedaled a few
> miles (not insignificant due to the 200lb weight of the loaded EV).  At a
> driving range a young man let me plug in for an hour and we had a nice
> conversation.  While stopping to rest I discovered the connector issue and
> proceeded apace.
>
> I am pretty sure afterwards that lady and maybe the pastor thought about or
> discussed the story of the good Samaritan (an enemy of the Jews), the idea
> of Christian charity, and just plain neighborliness; but in the moment she
> couldn't get there.
>
> On another occasion I asked to plug in at a convenience store and was given
> permission, but the owner, who was driving down the road outside, saw me,
> called the counter girl with his cell phone and told her to cut me off.  A
> fair number of people are very tight with their money, believing it will
> make them happy if they have more of it.
>
> So regardless of what we may think, or what the laws may say, it is just
> better to ask first.
>
> BM
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Peri Hartman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Most jurisdictions have all kinds of laws that make common things
> illegal.
> >  The laws are generally ignored by enforcement unless they are needed to
> > cite an extreme violation.
> >
> > For example, loitering is often illegal.  But unless someone is being
> > obnoxious, it's rarely enforced.
> >
> > In this case, I think it's a waste of taxpayer money to cite this
> > "stealing" of electricity.  Probably, somewhere not too far away,
> something
> > much worse was happening at the same time.  If it were to become a
> problem,
> > it's easy for the school to ask for enforcement.
> >
> > Peri Hartman
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf Of SLPinfo.org
> > Sent: 04 December, 2013 7:14 AM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner charged w/ stealing $0.05 worth of
> > juice(video)
> >
> > Zeke,
> >
> > As true as that might be it doesn't change the fact that this guy took
> > something that wasn't his and that he didn't have permission to take.
>  The
> > size is irrelevant. I'm no angel but even I see it as wrong.
> >
> > Unfortunately this also just gives more ammunition to the anti-EV crowd.
> >
> > Peter
> >  On Dec 4, 2013 6:22 AM, "Zeke Yewdall" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone who leaves the door open a minute too long and lets cold air in
> > > while entering the school is probably guilty of costing the school
> > > more.......
> > >
> > > Z
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:47 AM, brucedp5 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.11alive.com/news/article/314666/186/DeKalb-electric-car-owner-charged-with-stealing-5-cents-worth-of-juice
> > > > Electric car owner charged with stealing 5 cents worth of juice
> > > > by Doug Richards  Dec 3, 2013
> > > >
> > > > [video
> > > > http://www.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2890461312001
> > > > ]
> > > >
> > > > CHAMBLEE, Ga. -- One Saturday in November, Kaveh Kamooneh drove his
> > > Nissan
> > > > Leaf to Chamblee Middle School, where his 11-year-old son took was
> > > playing
> > > > tennis.
> > > >
> > > > Kamooneh had taken the liberty of charging the electric car with an
> > > > exterior
> > > > outlet at the school. Within minutes of plugging in the car, he says
> a
> > > > Chamblee police officer appeared.
> > > >
> > > > "He said that he was going to charge me with theft by taking because
> I
> > > was
> > > > taking power, electricity from the school," Kamooneh said. Kamooneh
> > says
> > > he
> > > > had charged his car for twenty minutes, drawing about a nickel's
> worth
> > of
> > > > juice. Don Francis of Clean Cities Atlanta, an electric vehicle
> > advocacy
> > > > group, says the estimate of five cents is accurate.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm not sure how much electricity he stole," said Chamblee police
> > > Sergeant
> > > > Ernesto Ford, but he added: It doesn't matter. "He broke the law. He
> > > stole
> > > > something that wasn't his."
> > > >
> > > > Sgt. Ford says the officer should have arrested Kamooneh on the spot.
> > But
> > > > he
> > > > didn't. Instead, the officer filed a police report. Then eleven days
> > > > passed,
> > > > and two deputies showed up at his house in Decatur. "They arrested me
> > > here
> > > > at about eight o'clock at night," Kamooneh said.
> > > >
> > > > Ford said he sought the arrest warrant after determining that school
> > > > officials hadn't given Kamooneh permission to plug in his car. Ford
> > said
> > > > Chamblee Police did so without asking school officials if they wanted
> > to
> > > > prosecute the alleged theft of electricity. A DeKalb Schools
> spokesman
> > > did
> > > > not respond to a request for comment.
> > > >
> > > > Records show Kamooneh spent more than 15 hours in the DeKalb County
> > jail
> > > > for
> > > > plugging his car into a school's electrical outlet. Kamooneh
> > acknowledges
> > > > he
> > > > hadn't asked permission first. "When I got there, there was nobody
> > there.
> > > > It
> > > > was a Saturday morning."
> > > >
> > > > "A theft is a theft," Sgt. Ford said. When asked if he'd make the
> > arrest
> > > > again, he answered: "Absolutely."
> > > > [© 2013 WXIA-TV]
> > > >
> > > >
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