I see a Google self-driving car going about its business from time to
time in this area and they *are* capable of dealing with all sorts of
traffic - busy rush-hour freeways, city centers and parking lots with
not just other cars but also peds, pets, bicyclists and a bunch of other
One of the first times I read a report from a self-driving car was after
they completed an around-the-world trip including driving through China
and India. On a few specific locations they had to adapt the original
designed routines, such as the tendency of the car to follow the rules
of the road, while for example Indian drivers have a tendency to drive
with the white (or yellow) line under the vehicle, so they can swerve
into either lane and/or pass other vehicles or obstacles easily. The
early version of the Google self-driving car which tried to follow the
rules of the road (like I did initially) as often ad a disadvantage and
did not properly anticipate this behavior, which puts you at a serious
disadvantage and/or manouvre in a way that other drivers do not expect
and in some cases it would mean getting stuck because everyone is trying
to go even when it is not allowed, so you need to follow the custom and
show the same "aggressive" driving behavior of ever nudging further into
a constant-flowing stream of traffic on a main street until it is
completely blocked, then you can go from the side street.

I understand that one of the biggest things in the self-driving car is
not the use of sensors or implementation of basic traffic rules, but the
"tweaking" of the implementation of rules to deal with the human
interaction at situations where traffic rules are ambiguous or not
properly followed to allow better traffic flow...

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info
Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626

-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Miles
via EV
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:30 PM
To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] How I learned to stop worrying and love
autonomous-driving & wireless-charging

Interesting comments David, The Japanese are a very polite people in
and the vending machines allow anonymity when a personal product is
such a change of underwear, as well as a conveniently  purchased snack
an off hour.  The gasoline service station is self-service in Ohio, but
Oregon and New Jersey you dare not touch the pump ! Fire safety laws
prohibit self service.  As for the Taxi, and safety, in many regions
(Including mine - Florida,) the taxi drivers have to have a "Hack
License" and that is issued by the local police after a criminal
check along with a regular drivers license. I tell all my acquaintances
that are uncomfortable going home at night, "Call a Taxi, the driver is
responsible for your safety and his reputation has been verified by the
city court. You can't find a more validated safe escort home at any time
day or night." And the driver is in constant contact with the dispatcher
had a problem one night and told my dispatcher, five taxi drivers came
my rescue within three minutes, and 45 minutes later the police arrived
take the problem , a sourly drunk, off to jail on a drunk and disorderly
charge.)  Will a computer driven car do that?? NO !  I trust the Taxi
drivers, not "Robot-cars" who have only been safely allowed to drive on
test tracks or lightly traveled roadways. I have seen remotely
locomotives in the railway yards sorting out cars and the rail-worker's
unions say they are unsafe even under human monitoring...so they are
limited to walking speed. Those systems are not subject to cross traffic
because they are on rails. How complex if they had to be steered and
collisions with cross traffic at 50 miles per hour.  ;^)

*Dennis Lee Miles *

*Director   **E.V.T.I. Inc.*

*E-Mail:*  *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* <evprofes...@evprofessor.com>

   *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913*

Dade City, Florida 33523


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:31 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> On 22 May 2014 at 18:37, Dennis Miles via EV wrote:
> > I have lived in many cities around the this world from New York to
> > and they all had autonomous vehicles for the drunkards and
> > unfamiliar with their city.  We called them TAXIs.
> Interesting that you mention Tokyo.  I think (but haven't dug up
> corroboration because I'm lazy ;-) that it was in Japan that one of
> defining trends of our time emerged.  That trend is an increasing
> among consumers to get the products they want WITHOUT interacting with
> sales
> and service people.
> For years, Japan has had vending machines offering beer and sake,
> chicken, crepes, ice cream, fresh bananas and lettuce, eggs, rice, and
> bread.  Vending machines there even dispense underwear for women, and
> neckties for men.  There are also some fairly icky machine-vended
> for men, but I think I'll stop here.
> Japanese, I would argue, are the world's most enthusiastic users of
> anonymous, non-interactive purchasing.
> But they're not alone; the trend has gone worldwide.  Self-service
> stations have been around so long that most younger EVDLers probably
> even remember full service filling stations. (Some European stations
> partly or totally unstaffed.)   Redbox has replaced the corner video
> store.  Touchscreen ordering and payment is taking over at some fast
> eateries, including hundreds of McDonalds restaurants in Europe.
> Supermarkets and big-box stores have self service checkouts.
> The upshot is that we have an entire generation of kids growing up for
> anonymous, non-interactive purchasing will be the norm.  If they don't
> particularly care to buy from human cashiers, why would they want to
> with human taxi drivers?
> Meanwhile, I know women who now are afraid to take a taxicab because
> they've
> heard or read stories of women being attacked in cabs.  They'd go for
> driving taxis in a second.
> Maybe the whole idea of self-driving cars strikes some folks as
> top.  Maybe it is.  And yet I don't think EV developers can ignore
>  If
> it turns out that self-driving cars are really what people want, and
> they're willing to pay the price for the convenience, monetarily and
> perhaps
> in privacy, then we'd be foolish not to plan for self-driving cars
> electric drive.
> If nothing else, it's one way to ease range anxiety.  If the car knows
> way to the train station, it can also tell you whether it has enough
> to get there and back, no?  And if not, it can take you to the nearest
> public charging station, where it can ingest just enough electricity
> accomplish your mission.
> David Roden
> EVDL Administrator
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