My opinion on compliance cars is that where they are sold are a hugh factor... if they are only sold in CA and other compliance states, that's a big giveaway. If they are sold in all 50 states... probably not. I wouldn't put having it as the same model as a ICE version as a sign of a compliance car. That could actually be just to make it seem that EV's are nore "normal" -- buy the Kia Soul, whether you get the EV or the ICE version of it... rather than something special that has to be it's own model. So far, I have not heard plans from the dealers in Colorado to sell the Soul EV (and Kia is advertising big here in Colorado right now, opening a bunch of new dealerships).
Z On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:29 PM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > IMO, it is too soon to make any decision on the Kia Soul EV which is based > on > one of their ice-model platforms, as it has not been released into buyers > hands yet to get driver feedback on the EV. If you like that EV, I would > wait until it is available and then join a Soul EV discussion forum > https://www.google.com/search?q=Soul+EV+forum > to obtain that actual owner feedback. > > Here is a post I made about how Leaf drivers provided such feedback > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Critical-Mass-Leaf-community-shares-their-experiences-tp4668627.html > > The wording or your previous question, and now this question (using the > word > blacklisted), leaves me to feel you may still have the wrong/inaccurate > idea > about compliance cars. > > > First, a compliance car speaks of the automaker's EV-commitment (how well > their EV is designed and supported, or either how long they will continue > making EVs, before they jump onto the fcv bandwagon, or just go all > phev/pih, etc.). This is also where how much of a marketing effort they > make > comes in (whether the automaker spends the $ to advertize in the same way > that they do with their vehicles that have an ice, etc.). > > Second, a compliance car may, or may-not have a following (buyers wanting > it) based on whether the EV has the abilities and features today's EV buyer > wants (fits the customer's needs, has a L3 ability, several driving modes, > at an affordable price, etc.). > > Lets take the Honda Fit EV as an example. > Honda did pay for a few newswires to promote Fit EV sales, see > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Fit-EV-an-all-electric-Swiss-Army-knife-td4667925.html > > A Fit EV driver loved-the-heck out of his, see > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Kamm-racing-his-Fit-EV-on-frozen-ice-surfaces-tp4667953.html > > Yet, Honda limited its production to save money (showing their > non-EV-commitment), see > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Why-you-can-t-buy-Honda-s-2014-Fit-EV-in-North-America-td4667842.html > > Then Honda met their quota, and stopped producing them, see > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Honda-will-end-Fit-EV-production-in-2014-Deja-vu-tp4668204.html > > I could go on and on with other examples, but this automaker showed their > hand as not being committed to producing EVs. Loss of support after > production has stopped is a threat with an uncommitted automaker. > > Yet, some drivers like their compliance EV. They like the way it looks > (does > not look odd like an egg or Jetson's car, etc.). Some people are OK, with > its price and limitations. > > I am seeing more and more Fiat 500e EVs on the road or in parking lots now. > I posted how their CEO whined that he does not like EVs > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Their-CEO-sez-Don-t-buy-the-Fiat-500e-EV-tp4669611.html > , yet people like their compliance EV > > On the other hand, like the really sharp gal I talked who was a new Leaf EV > owner > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVangel-About-Ford-still-pushing-their-pih-One-smart-new-Leaf-driver-tp4669625.html > she had done her (research) homework and felt the Leaf EV (had the highest > trim with 6kW-L2 and L3 options) was the best choice and deal for her. > Nissan is one of the automakers that has shown their EV-commitment and she > can bank on having long-term support for her EV. As well as a good resale > value if she every wants to trade-in or sell her Leaf EV. > > You see it is not that the EV is necessarily blacklisted. It depends on the > buyer to decide if it fits their needs. As one of many EVangels, it is up > to > us to cut through all the media hype and give the buying public the > straight > facts and leads for more information (links, forums, etc.) so the buyer can > make an informed choice to buy, or not-buy a compliance car EV. > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > > - > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 04:57 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Bruce, any opinion on the Soul EV? It looks too well designed to be a > > compliance car but, then, so did some of the other blacklisted models. > - > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2015-Kia-Soul-EV-will-be-sold-in-CA-OR-NY-NJ-MD-video-tp4669915p4669926.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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