You are very generous with install cost of $5 per Watt and I think that
cost level is old. Today's solar panels are all under $1 per Watt with
few exceptions and installation typically doubles or triples that with
the man-hours and the inverter & installation material costs. What I
have heard is closer to $2 per installed Watt for standard residential

You flip twice (cancelling the error) between 7.2 and 7,200

Most EVs are better than 3 miles per kWh, a few are less.
It is a safe (relatively low) number since the majority of EVs get
closer to 4 miles/kWh.

Just some quick feedback. Good thought-provoking issue. 

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation
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Subject: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested

The purported cost of the Iraqi War so far has been $1.7 trillion (1.7 x

10^12).Whether this is war was worth it is **not** up for discussion 
here. This is strictly an exercise in examining what effect those funds 
would have had if applied differently. I would appreciate your vetting 
the thoughts and numbers below.

The question is: "What if those funds had been used for installing solar

panels for recharging a fleet of electric vehicles?" What does a "back 
of the envelope" set of calculations indicate as to whether such an 
investment would be viable and possibly pursued further?

Assume for discussion purposes:

1)Each panel is rated at 250 watts. (Ref: This is in a common 
size (+/- a few watts).The rating assumes a standard irradiance of 1,000

whr /m^2.

2)Each panel costs $1250 installed which is $5/watt for a commercially 
installed panel. Some will self install and some will have a higher 
commercially installed array.

3)Each panel receives an average of 2 kwhr/m^2/day.This is doable in 
almost all parts of the lower 48 States and Hawaii in December, the 
worse month for solar over all.The Puget Sound - Portland (OR) and 
Alaska areas are the two exceptions.Most areas referenced below are well

above 2 kwhr/m^2/day; some with a factor of 3 or greater.


4)How far will an electric vehicle go using 1 kwhr of electricity.?

*Pickups can travel roughly 2 to 3 miles.

*Sedans can travel roughly 3 to 5 miles.

*A Tesla Model S with an EPA rated range of 265 miles with a 85 kwhr 
pack onboard produces a calculated average about 3 miles per kwhr.

*A range of 3 miles per kwhr was used below as an average

To derive the amount of mileage that can be driven in a day 
electrically, the above panels and factors were multiplied together like

_$1.7 x 10^12 _* _250w panel_ * _1 kw _* 1 hr * _2 kwhr sol m^2/day_ * 
_3 mi_

$1250 panel10^3w 1 kwhr std m^2/daykwhr

This produces a result of 2.04 billion miles.

How does this equate to miles driven per day using an equivalent 
gasoline powered sedan?

Assume for discussion purposes:

1)The USA uses 20 million Barrels of Oil Per Day (BOPD).In recent years,

this figure has decreased to about 18 million BOPD.

2)Each barrel of oil can be refined to produce 18 gallons of 
gasoline.This is close to the actual production figure.

To derive the amount of average car miles that can be driven in a day 
using gasoline, the above factors were multiplied together like so:

20 million BOPD * 18 gallons of gasoline/BOPD * 20 Miles/Gallon = 7.2 
billion miles/day

We drive roughly 7.200 billion miles per day.

21 million BOPD over 7.2 billion miles driven per day produces a rough 
factor of 3 (x10^-3).If we multiply 2.04 billion electric only miles 
driven times this factor, we would equate this to using about 6 million 
BOPD.This is roughly the amount of our oil imports.

While a $1.7 trillion dollar investment in solar panels will not be a 
substitute for all the oil we use, it would likely reduce our energy 
consumption by 6 million BOPD; enough for us to be 'energy independent' 
with maybe a little conservation added.

How long would it take to pay this investment off?

If electricity, through net metering, is $1.00 per 10 kwhr and gasoline 
is $4 per gallon, and a vehicle can be driven the same amount of miles 
on either 10 kwhr of electricity or 1 gallon of gasoline, the difference

is $3.00 which would be allocated to paying off the $1.7 trillion dollar


We use 360 million gallons of gasoline a day, (20 million BOPD * 18 
gallons/Barrel).$1.7 x 10^12/(0.360 gallons x 10^9 * 3) = 1.574 x 10^3 
days or 4.31 years.Not too shabby.

This is a very simplistic scenario where a lot of details and other 
costs that have to be worked out such as the cost of a pack; electrical 
storage, production, and transmission issues; (in)efficiency issues; 
weather related issues (the sun does not always shine); and utility 
regulatory/business issues.The bottom line is that this looks like it is

doable financially with potentially solvable issues.

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