No iMiev? Even though sales are low, I would consider them a
non-compliance car.
Peri
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From: "Michael Ross via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "brucedp5" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
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Sent: 07-Jul-14 8:44:00 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price & how
do they compare?
They are offering a deal to employees of the UNC system where I work,
to
buy Leafs at deal cost. I could get a bare bones one for maybe $22K -
$23K. But that was very uncertain when I tried top pry information from
a
dealership without actually completing the paperwork and visiting.
I found the intel about dealer cost interesting.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not
state
where EVs are available and at what price so the public can compare,
I
thought I would put together this post.
I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs
are
available and their prices in their location.
I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I think
it
would be interesting to compare with other regions. My local
Mitsubishi
dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I left the iMiev out.
Here
is what I found:
$32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO
http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&;
Stevens Creek Nissan
http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAF&&&&year=2015&;
Nissan Sunnyvale
$43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css
http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&;
Stevens Creek BMW
http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3
BMW of Fremont
http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc
Peter Pan BMW
http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3
East Bay BMW
$70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Supercharger
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design
All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary
(dealerships mark
up the price wildly to get as much as they can). These prices were
the
lowest ones I found on the above dealership websites.
In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick
charging and
multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have made much more
of an
EV commitment than all the others. I am using a price to mileage
ratio to
roughly compare the EVs' bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the
better
the deal):
Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)
i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
Tesla-S: ~337 (=70000/208)
The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better
lower-purchase-cost deal.
But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another
problem
with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging in the
Americas.
Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging capability in the
Americas.
For some, level-2 is all they need but not having Level-3 quick
charging
that is a game-killer for many buyers. They may hardly use it, but it
it
there if they want to use it, and it adds to the EV's resale value.
I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car
EVs, but
why?
Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have
level-3
charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and abandon their
compliance-car EVs to go fcv just to garner more ice-selling credits.
And
we
know Automakers and Oil companies are vying for a change when it is
time
for
the next U.S. Presidential vote (hoping for the same dismemberment of
the
CARB mandate that happened under GW's reign).
The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I say
why
wait? If you know what your EV driving needs are, and one of the
above fit
them, go for it.
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