Trouble is you didn't own the car when it was disabled. It may have disabled itself for safety reasons. It was a pile of junk you bought it. You have think you have rebuilt a car from that junk and now you want the systems activated without showing that the system is in any state where that can safely be done.
Ps by 'you' I mean the generic you. Lawrence > On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:42, Collin Kidder via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, you > wouldn't have to "activate it" were it not for the fact that they turned it > off in the first place. My argument is thus (and obviously) that they had > no business disabling the car in the first place. It was not their car. I > fail to understand how people can justify someone else disabling a car that > they own. > >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> wrote: >> >> This is laughable. Sure the car is yours to do anything you want with. >> >> But when you want to go ask Tesla to "activate it", then guess what, you >> are ASKING for help from someone who has a very valid reason not to want to >> take the risk to HELP you with YOUR salvage CAR which you OWN. >> >> If you want help from Tesla, either do what they want (to give you the >> help while minimizing their risk) or shut-up and go sit in your car and >> enjoy your OWNERSHIP as a yard ornament. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Collin Kidder via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Lawrence Harris via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am afraid I side with Tesla on this. As much as I like to be able to >>>> tinker with 'my stuff' here we have a very complex system with many >>> sensors >>>> and actuators that are all controlled by the onboard computer systems. >>> The >>>> car has been repaired by (apparently) someone with no training on making >>>> sure all these system, some of them safety systems, are working. Tesla >>>> says let us take a look, if it's all ok we will reactive the car, if not >>>> you have the choice of getting them fixed or abandoning the project. >>> I absolutely disagree. If you purchase something (and you do get a title >>> when you buy a car) then it is yours. What you do with it is no longer the >>> company's problem. You could disassemble it, turn it into a fish tank, >>> build it into a transformer, whatever. Saying that the car is complex does >>> not change the question of ownership. When you sell something you give up >>> interest in the object you sold. It is gone; it is no longer yours. Now, >>> it >>> is perfectly acceptable to offer warranties and other incentives. These >>> things do not dilute the ownership question but rather provide some route >>> for extra support after the sale. In all the cases we're currently hearing >>> about the people with the cars are NOT trying to assert any warranty >>> claims >>> at all. They just want to fix their own car. Let's say that some safety >>> systems are not working. If that is the case the car should know about it. >>> This is not 1950. Cars have complicated diagnostic systems as well as >>> complicated safety systems. Some cars even tell you which light is burnt >>> out so you don't have to guess when it happens. If Tesla did even a half >>> assed job of making their cars then it'll know if any of the sensors or >>> systems seem to be malfunctioning. At that point it can warn the owner of >>> the vehicle that something still isn't right. Often you are allowed to >>> drive anyway so long as the problem isn't too dire. There is no need for >>> Tesla to inspect the vehicle's sensors and computer systems. They do that >>> themselves. The more pertinent problem here is likely the frame of the >>> car. >>> If it is cracked in half nothing else in the car is likely to know about >>> it >>> until the car tears in two. So, I could see someone being nervous about >>> that. That's why the DMV will want the car's structure and suspension to >>> be >>> inspected before it is licensed for on-the-road use. Tesla has nothing to >>> do with that. No, all of this is just Tesla being overbearing control >>> freaks. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> As an aside I had a similar talk with Mercedes when the onboard computer >>>> in my car got fried (wiring issue - their fault out of warrantee and no >>>> recall). I tried to get a replacement from the wreckers and was told >>>> sorry, the computer is flashed to the VIN of the car and unless I >>> replace >>>> 'all' the various interlinked components including the keys it won't >>> work - >>>> only a new computer will work. Talking to my non dealer mechanic he >>> said >>>> many of the new cars are like this and there are system he can't easily >>>> service. >>>> >>>> Lawrence Harris >>> This is also stupid and many people want a law (right to repair) to fix >>> this sort of issue. I'm sure that their stated reason for doing VIN >>> locking >>> is to prevent chop shops from parting out people's vehicles. That's still >>> a >>> stupid reason and really a lie. I seriously doubt that the OEM cares about >>> chop shops. They care about control. Now we're seeing that Tesla is >>> showing >>> their true colors as well. I suppose it isn't really a surprise but many >>> people had hoped that Elon Musk would be different. It turns out that >>> Tesla >>> is behaving pretty much like all the big auto makers. I guess they want to >>> fit in? >>> >>> There is currently a war against ownership and I'm not terribly fond of >>> it. >>> Unfortunately, few people seem to care. They're content to almost kind of >>> sort of own things that they bought and paid for. And, that's sad. 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