Burning wood emits *lots* of air pollution, particularly particulate matter, but also including potent carcinogens, NOx (also a greenhouse gas), CO (*dangerous* in closed spaces), and more.
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Michael Ross via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am with you Bob. As aggravating as it dealing with a utility company, > and as attractive as it is to be free of them, it is rarely a good > financial decision to drop use of an available grid. For as along as they > can, utilities will be pricing there service to discourage us from going > off grid.. THis will inevitably drop, but they will still be after some fee > if they can get it. That grid connection is not just money but also > support and influence. > > Maybe if one is sitting on a big pile...but it still makes little financial > sense. > > I would take exception with your knock on wood heat. A tree burned emits > no more than a a tree decayed on the forest floor. > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> So, I have my roof covered with solar panels. >>> my utility, is threatening to at least triple monthly >>> "basic connection fees" for solar "customers." >> >> So, 3 times $8/mo is $24/mo. Big deal... >> >> That is far-far (100 times ) cheaper than any home-energy storage system. >> >> Here is the lunacy of "going off-grid" when you already have it: >> >> EXAMPLE: I have 17kw of solar generating capacity at home. In Maryland, I >> probably get about 60kWh on a good day. (for a net-ZERO annual electric >> kWh bill) ... BUT!!! In the last 2 weeks we have had ONLY ONE sunny >> day. (this is rare)... On overcast days, I maybe get 6 kWh. >> >> But my electric load (now during worst winter solstice) is over 120 kWh >> per day (geothermal heatpump). >> >> If I was off grid, I'd need at least SIX TESLA equivalent batteries to be >> able to continue living at the same life style, and then, in this >> particular weather pattern, we would have run out of heat after 3 days and >> been cold fore more than a week. (they are forcasting 3 more days of >> clouds)... >> >> But with grid tie, NO PROBLEM. I stored up over 4 months of energy kWh in >> the grid, which should carry me though the winter to break even at zero by >> the spring. >> >> Even if they were not Tesla, but just Lead Acid batteries, and I wanted >> the same 5 day energy storage, I'd need 600 golf cart batteries, at $100 >> each or about $60,000 investment in batteries AND I would need to maintain >> them FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE and replace them every few years. >> Lets say somehow they last 5 years, That is $12k per year or $1000 per >> month. >> >> All of a sudden, the $8 per month compared to $1000 amortized battery >> cost looks really great indeed. (and zero maintenance for grid tie). >> >> But, HERE IS THE THING EVERYONE OVERLOOKS: >> >> 1) Since you have to oversize your battery capacity to handle cloudy days, >> then BY DEFINITION, on every additional SUNNY day in a row, then your >> batteries are FULL and cannot accept any more charge. Thus you are >> WASTING almost all of your solar panel investment on GOOD SUNNY DAYS in a >> row!!! (and most every summer day). >> >> 2) Even if you have say 5 days storage, that is miniscule compared to 365 >> days storage you get with the grid! In other words, you have no place to >> store the TWO-TIMES additional PV electricity you generate in the summer >> for when you need it most, in the winter. What a loss! >> >> Talk to anyone off-grid. They live a miserable life in the winter, barely >> scraping by, and then have excess solar power in the summer that they >> cannot even find ways to throw away because their batteries cannot take >> the extra. >> >> In Summary, if you have your own storage, and do NOT USE 100% of your >> solar capacity EVERY DAY, then you are throwing away your solar investment >> every afternoon after the batteries approach full. >> >> See http://aprs.org/off-grid-NOT.html >> >> The beauty of GRID-TIE is the UNLIMITED storage capacity, the lack of >> maintenance, and the ability to store up summer excesss for use in the >> winter when you need it. >> >> Sure, you can burn oil, gas, propane, or wood for heat and drastically >> reduce your electric heating need, but then what about our goal of >> EMISSIONS FREE living? >> >> Bob, WB4aPR >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- > Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain > happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? > *Dalai Lama * > > Tell me what it is you plan to do > With your one wild and precious life? > Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. 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