Peri, You might have been sarcastic, but you almost described my vehicles. I have the following:
Bicycle - recreation only. My commute is 25 miles each way on highways. Not for me on a bike. 2 person EV - Honda del Sol conversion with 50 mile range for commuting. 4 person EV - Just bought. Around town and some trips. 4 person ICE - 2001 Volvo station wagon. Long trips with no cargo and less than 6 people. Pickup/Van - 3/4 ton Suburban. Used for cargo, people up to 8, towing trailers. I have a pickup bed trailer to work as a pickup. In general, the cars leave the garage in the order above. Those are listed cheapest to most expensive to operate. With the new EV, we will have to see if it replaces the old EV. Keeping both means my wife and I can both drive electric on days that she drives also. Now, I am an unusual case. I live in a rural area, with horses and a horse trailer, so towing is a must. All vehicles were bought used and are kept well maintained. If my daughter calls with an emergency 500 miles away, I have two vehicles I am confident I could get in and drive tonight. I would choose the vehicle based on the needs of the trip. Some might consider this extravagant, but this combination meets my needs. Mike On March 9, 2015 4:41:42 PM MDT, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >Ok, we've seen both sides of the "wasteful" range question. Let me >pose >this: how close to saturation are we for the market of people who can >afford and are willing to have an additional car just so they can buy a > >short range (50+ miles) for local driving. > >That is, how many people are left who will buy a short range EV with >the >justification they also have an ICE car for longer distances? > >Let me be sarcastic: under the ideal world I'd have about 10 vehicles: >my bicycle, maybe an e-bike, a small 1 person EV, a small 2 person EV, >a >4 door sedan EV, a 4 door sedan ICE, a pickup truck, a van. Lost >count, >is that 10? Then, I'd use each vehicle most efficiently. > >Peri > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "robert winfield via EV" <[email protected]> >To: "jerry freedomev" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle >Discussion List" <[email protected]> >Sent: 09-Mar-15 2:31:41 PM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options > >> >>some Florida seniors routinely make 1,100 miles trips up and down the >>east coast, and elsewhere >>-------------------------------------------- >>On Sun, 3/8/15, jerry freedomev via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Subject: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2015, 11:45 AM >> >> >> EV range is interesting as so >> many new factors. While long range is nice for those that >> actually need 100+ miles/day, most just don't need over >> 120 miles I see as a sweet spot for most. For >> many just a 60 mile range EV can work as many in Fla seniors >> only use Golfcarts and NEV's now as their only >> transport. And for the few times more is >> needed a RE using cleaner fuels or Alum/Zinc-air primary >> batteries are already proven to give 1,000 mile range just >> EV builders refuse to put in the brackets, plug or space for >> them like a trailer hitch mount. We really >> need to get these alum/Zinc air RE available as already >> proven, just need a market to sell them. Between EV's >> and home, building markets if available would be a killer >> app. As fairly light 50lb modules could be >> sold near anywhere including gas stations just exchanging >> the spent one with a reformed one. This is >> complicated as EV batteries shrink in weight, space both >> which have been improved 30% in the last few yrs and likely >> to double range/lb of battery in 3-5 >> yrs. Next building eff EV's gliders by >> cutting weight by 50% with better aero can cut battery >> weight, cost/100 miles by 50% even with present EV lithium >> batteries. The GM Ultralite, Toyota 1/x, >> Solectria Sunrise, Visio.M, and other composite >> body/chassis show the way. Sadly the i3 >> weighs more than a same size steel car from really bad >> design using an alum frame instead of just bolting >> everything to the CF body. Since it has to pass crash >> tests the body has to be strong enough to carry the other >> loads anyway. So half the weight, drag >> EV's using half the weight EV batteries with 2x's >> the capacity even 200 mile range would be low cost, >> practical. And in 5 yrs likely to be in >> production as by then oil will likely be $5/gal but EV's >> need cost no more than a gas car because of these but only >> 20% to >> run. >> Jerry Dycus >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150308/2007d895/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
