Hello "dovepa at bellsouth.net" AKA "via EV",
I have no idea who you are - the message is not signed and your name is not 
showing from your email.
You can believe what you want about Lithiums, but think about that even the 
Chinese invest in a BMS
on every Lithium battery pack that they ship, while they are known to cut 
corners and reduce cost,
so there must be a reason....

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-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 5:03 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Bill Dube
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

It's possible he has a defective battery. Also, I still don't believe balances 
work on Lithium cells.

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM -0700, "Bill Dube via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
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There are too many variables to draw any strong conclusions. The two biggest 
factors are:

1) The BMS does not have as much time to balance during a fast charge.
2) The cell temperature is typically higher (for many reasons) when you fast 
charge. The cells don't like high temperatures.

"Stale charge" is also large factor in apparent capacity change and happens in 
all chemistries to varying degrees. It may be a factor in these "tests" on 
battery pack capacity. (In nicads it can be particularly a large "stale charge" 
effect and is commonly called "memory effect".) Essentially, when you _gently_ 
and _fully_ cycle a battery, the apparent capacity becomes much greater after 
the first full cycle, and often grows a bit more with the second full cycle.

The longer it has been since you last accessed the full capacity of the 
battery, the worse the problem of "stale charge" becomes.

Batteries are very complicated chemical beasts. Simple tests often don't tell 
you the full story.

Bill Dube'




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