A couple of points to consider: 

Any idiot with money can own a manufactured EV He /she will run to the factory 
if a" tire sprung a leak". It takes brains and perseverance to do a conversion. 

A conversion is not going to be spying on the owner constantly (reporting 
"home") and is totally owned by the person. It is not under the control of a 
remote factory geek and you can do whatever you want with it. You own it 
"lock,stock & Barrel" . 

regards 
harsha godavari 

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From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <[email protected]> 
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:15:02 AM 
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Sounds like "Burned EVangelist Syndrome". It is not about you or your EV, 
people who behave like that *are* the problem, so don't take their monkey, 
it is not your problem. 
Please don't get discouraged from talking about your EV to others 
because a few are having a problem... 

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From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tomw via EV 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:19 AM 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere 

/"I was a little offended when Bruce implied Tesla owners are snobby. I am 
certainly not nor or other Tesla owning EVDLers..."/ 

A few years ago I was participating in the local club's display of EVs. I 
stepped up to two Tesla S owners talking just as one asked the other if he had 
ever dropped down from a local mountain summit. He had not. I chimed in that I 
had, and they gave me a look of disdain and turned away. Last year I was at a 
get together with some people I used to work with. A VP was proudly discussing 
his Tesla S when a friend mentioned my converted EV. 
Again the look of disdain, that my friend would even mention such a vehicle in 
the same conversation. Not all are that haughty, I know a couple who are not, 
but many more I have met are. Some Leaf owners similarly look down on converted 
vehicles as not "real" EVs. When I mentioned I had a converted car to a new 
local club member he asked disdainfully, "What's it got, lead acid batteries?" 
with the seeming implication it was useless. When I explained it had lithium 
cells and about the same range as a Leaf, he started talking to another Leaf 
owner nearby to change the subject. 

My impression is that the new manufactured EV owners like to think they are the 
avant-guarde. The above club member referred to himself as a "pioneer". 
All those earlier EVs don't count, even though some commuted daily for years in 
those "lead acid" vehicles, showed that limited range electric vehicles could 
be very useful, and provided quite a bit of learning. 

If that's what it takes to get people to buy EVs, that's fine. I just don't 
feel like attempting to interact with them anymore. I no longer participate in 
the local EV club, and if someone asks if my car is electric, I simply respond 
"yes", and continue on about my business. 



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