I wonder if there have been any EV vs pedestrian accidents? There are certainly enough of them on the road these days to generate statistics.
Any worse (or better) than ICE vehicles? Luxury cars?
Another good tactic to "kill the bill" is to request a "study", preferably a multi-year study. :-)

Bill D.

On 11/29/2015 9:45 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Well said, Bill.

Another way to look at this is in reverse. If a luxury ICE is considered noisy enough to sufficiently alert peds and cyclists, then that noise level could be the standard for quieter vehicles. Why should EVs and hybrids have to be noisier?

Peri

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From: "Bill Dube via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "brucedp5" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 29-Nov-15 8:36:56 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 'Too quiet' electrified cars estimated as US regulator headaches

The way to kill this bill is to have _all_ cars, regardless of drive train, emit a certain number of dB.
The quiet ICE luxury cars will object, likely loudly. :-)

It is my job, as the driver of the vehicle, to avoid pedestrians, animals, bicyclists, etc. I have managed quite successfully since 1996. No problems whatsoever in all those years. Not even a close call. I _occasionally_ have to roll down the window and politely say, "Excuse me please."to make someone standing and chatting in a parking lot aware that you are present and to move.

Just amend the bill for _all_ vehicles, not just electric, and it will disappear "quietly". :-)

Bill Dube'

On 11/29/2015 1:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/25/too-quiet-electric-and-hybrid-cars-create-headache-for-us-regulators
'Too quiet' electric and hybrid cars create headache for US regulators
24 November 2015   Reuters

[image
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/25/too-quiet-electric-and-hybrid-cars-create-headache-for-us-regulators#img-1 US regulators want hybrid and electric cars to give audible warnings at low speeds. Photograph: Simon Stuart-Miller/Simon Stuart Miller (commissioned)
]

Road safety authorities and automakers wrangle over new rules requiring
loudspeakers to warn cyclists and visually impaired people

US regulators are grappling with new rules for electric and hybrid cars that
are too quiet, leading to fears of collisions with cyclists and
sight-impaired pedestrians unless the vehicles are fitted with artificial
noise-making systems.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates the odds of a hybrid vehicle being involved in a pedestrian crash are 19% higher compared
with a gasoline-powered vehicle.

The car safety regulator has said that if the proposal were implemented
there would be 2,800 fewer pedestrian and bicyclist injuries annually. There
are about 125,000 such accidents each year.

But the regulators have been forced to delay until at least March 2016 a government plan, in the works since 2013, to require “quiet cars” – vehicles that operate at low speeds without a gasoline engine running – to add new
audio alerts at low speeds.

The proposed rules would require automakers like Tesla, General Motors, Ford and Toyota to add automatic audio alerts to electric and hybrid vehicles
traveling at 18 miles per hour or less.

This would apply to hybrid and electric cars, SUVs, trucks, buses and
motorcycles. Advocates for the blind have pushed for the rules.

Automakers have raised concerns about the alerts, saying they are too loud
and too complicated. They also want them required only at lower speeds.

Under a 2010 law passed by Congress the NHTSA was supposed to finalize the regulations by January 2014. Automakers will get a minimum of 18 months from the time the rules are finalized before they must begin adding the alerts.

NHTSA administrator Mark Rosekind said in July the regulation would be
finalized by November – a timetable the agency says in a new government
document that it will not be able to meet.

The Transportation Department, in explaining the latest delay, said in a document posted on its website that “additional coordination is necessary”.
NHTSA declined to elaborate on Tuesday.

NHTSA in 2013 said it expected the rules would cost the auto industry about
$23m in the first year because automakers would need to add an external
waterproof speaker to comply.
[© 2015 Guardian News]



https://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/us-delays-quiet-car-rules-covering-hybrids-and-electric-cars-until-march-2016/ US delays ‘quiet car’ rules covering hybrids and electric cars until March
2016
24 Nov 2015 Reuters U.S. regulators are delaying rules that would require electric and hybrid cars to alert sight-impaired pedestrians and bicyclists
until at least mid-March, according ...
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/feds-postpone-hybrid-ev-warning-noises-next-year/
Feds Postpone Hybrid and EV Warning Noises Until Next Year
November 25, 2015 Federal regulators have postponed rules to require hybrid
and EV carmakers to add audible warnings to their cars to alert nearby
pedestrians, bicyclists and visually impaired people, Reuters reported. The
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