My thanks to Ed for helping me know what the Fremont L3 EVSE is like. I do not get over to the East SF Bay much anymore, so I now have a better idea of how the Lucky's L3 EVSE was implemented.
It is good to know that Ed feels the 4 L3 EVSE at the Fremont-CA Lucky Supermarket was installed in a much better physical location of their parking lot http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/19438 And I can understand Ed's disappointment with the way the EVSE at WF Market was installed. It is similar to a few WF EVSE I have seen on the SF Peninsula (the other side of the SF Bay). Primo (near an entrance) parking spots were chosen at a WF on the SF Peninsula http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/62954 while a few miles south, a Mt. View WF put theirs in their underground parking level http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/47129 more south, the Cupertino WF installed their EVSE off to the side, http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/45217 half way down the parking lot (not as near an entrance, yet not the farthest away either). I have not seen those EV spots at that WF store iced, but have at the other WF stores where the EVSE was installed near a store entrance. While people have their plugshare site up, look that the other highway corridor 280, and notice how little EVSE their is near it, and how many are just off highway 101 (which runs near parallel north & south). When I saw how much L3 was in Fremont, and how little it is being used (showing on plugshare), I felt the 4 L3 EVSE at the Fremont Lucky's was over kill. When it would have been wiser, to install 2 L3 EVSE at that Lucky's store (to compete with WF), and to also install just the conduit for future L3 growth (Lucky's could later install more L3 when it is actually needed). Then Lucky's corporate could use that money spent on those 2 unneeded L3 EVSE for L3 installations at other Lucky stores (i.e.: just off Highway 280 where it is desperately wanted and needed) https://google.com/maps/place/348+Woodside+Rd+94061 I thank those that gave their views on L2 EVSE. If they are right there will be a slow down on L2 EVSE installations, and hopefully any new L2 EVSE installed will be for long-term parking locations (airports, train/bus stations, work, etc.). I feel there is still going to be a need for L2 though it will be less. Those plugins only able to charge at L2/1 (inexpensive EVs like the i-Miev, plug-in-hybrids, e-motorcycles, etc.) will not pay for the L3 ability, so as to keep their purchase price down (so the cheap EVs will still need L2). BTW, on that note, I have long-mentioned (harped) that Ford really needs to offer a L3 charging ability on their one and only EV, the Focus Electric. Ford sez soon they will, see http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/12/10/ford-spend-45-billion-2020-electric-vehicles/77076192/ ... plans is a new Ford Focus electric vehicle coming at the end of 2016 with a range of 100 miles and which be 80% charged in 30 minutes. The current Focus Electric has a range of 76 miles and can be fully charged in 3.5 hours with a 240-volt [L2-6kW] outlet. To get to 80% charge takes [on L2-6kW] about 2.5 hours ... http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ford-rd-chief-says-automaker-wants-to-develop-ride-hailing-services-2015-12 ... http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151210005862/en/Ford-Accelerates-Expansion-Electrified-Vehicle-Battery-Research Ford Accelerates Expansion of Electrified Vehicle Battery Research and Development, Benefitting Customers Worldwide December 10, 2015 http://mms.businesswire.com/media/20151210005862/en/500297/4/RAWSONVILLE-PLANT-SKV-8942.jpg?download=1 IMO, it is nice that Ford is talking-up upgrades/improvements, but it is too-little, too-late to have any impact other up-to-date EVs sales. Especially when Ford dealers do not want to sell plugins. Who wants to bet Ford goes with the less available combo rather than the more established CHAdeMO L3 EVSE coupler? Another point, if L2-6kW in the U.S. is used less, perhaps we might see EVSE sites that only have L3 CHAdeMO change-out their L2 to have Coulomb/Chargepoint's less expensive 24kW Express 100 L3 EVSE. The difference in wiring is adding another 8 gauge wire (pulled through the conduit) so as to prove 3-phase 32A off a 3-phase 40A circuit (instead of 2-phase 32A feeding the L2, now 3-phase 32A feeds the ChargePoint's Express 100 L3). See https://transportevolved.com/2015/06/24/chargepoint-unveils-new-affordable-24-kilowatt-ccs-electric-car-dc-quick-charging-station-chademo-wont-come-until-later-this-year/ http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098855_chargepoint-launches-small-dc-quick-charging-station-for-electric-cars I am assuming the ChargePoint Express 100 L3 will allow L2-6kW (j1772) charging off its combo coupler. If so, the Express 100 would be a less expensive upgrade from a L2-6kW only, to a L3-24kW combo & L2-6kW j1772. The yanked/removed L2 EVSE could then be sold on ebay, where companies wanting of offer work EVSE could buy them for less, etc. Others like Ed that are not-really public EVSE interested have likely tuned out on this thread. But for those with opinions on EVgo's Lucky store installation, you could email your views directly to both contacts mentioned on their PR: Nannette.Miranda @SaveMart.com Lucky Supermarkets 925.833.6136 Jeremy.Desel @nrg.com NRG EVgo 281.384.8187 Lastly, I will end this post by sneaking-in a tangent topic: another EVSE coupler type (the future may bring us to having not a dual L3 EVSE, but the EVSE looking more like a 4-nozzle gas-station-pump). I have admired Tesla's light and efficently-small 3-phase coupler, when compared to the L3 CHAdeMO or combo. Below is an EVSE news item of a Finland chain store offering European L3 version EVSE that provides 3-phase power to customer plugins: '100km(62mi)/hour (= 3x32A) Type2-Mode3 charging at K-stores.fi' http://eprretailnews.com/2015/12/10/k-store-to-open-electric-vehicle-charging-points-by-the-end-of-2015-876543212345789/ K-store to open electric vehicle charging points by the end of 2015 December 10, 2015 Soon the owners of electric or hybrid cars can charge their vehicles while shopping at a K-store. The first electric vehicle charging points will be opened by the end of this year in Turku, the Greater Helsinki area and Lahti. Charging will be activated using a contactless K-Plussa card and it is offered free to customers. HELSINKI, Finland, 2015-12-10 — /EPR Retail News/ — The first charging points will be available at the car parks of K-citymarket Tammisto in Vantaa, the Merituuli shopping centre in Espoo, K-citymarket Länsikeskus and K-citymarket Kupittaa in Turku, and the Karisma shopping centre in Lahti, each with four charging bays. ” We want to offer good service and help our customer make choices for the benefit of the environment. The K-Group is engaged in long-term responsibility work, in which one of the key themes is the mitigation of climate change and the reduction of emissions”, says Matti Kalervo, Kesko’s Vice President for Corporate Responsibility. Kesko’s responsibility work has received also international recognition; in November 2015, Kesko was selected to the globally established Climate A list of CDP, which consists of 113 leading companies considered to be operating in an exemplary manner in the mitigation of climate change. A distance of 100 kilometres from one hour It will be possible and safe to charge all types of rechargeable vehicles at the charging points to be made available at the K-store car parks. The charger will have a Type 2 socket, suitable for Mode 3 charging, in which your charging lead is plugged. “The recharging times of vehicles vary slightly, which is due to their different charging capacities. The chargers’ maximum charging rate is 3 x 32A, which means that at best, a travel distance of nearly 100 kilometres is possible from a one-hour charge”, says Engineering Manager Jari Suuronen. Kesko is having charging points for rechargeable vehicles built at its most significant store sites. The charging points will have clear signs to make them easily identified in the car park. In addition, a reservation for a charging point is made, or a charging point is built, in all new and rebuilding store site projects. Kesko’s partner in the charging system implementation is Plugit Finland Oy. Further information: Charging point project, Jari Suuronen, Manager, Engineering, tel.+358 105 322 271 [© eprretailnews.com] ... http://www.kesko.fi/en/ Kesko,K-store https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesko ... http://www.mennekes.de/uploads/media/Type2_with_Shutter_01.pdf Type2 Mode3 charging https://evconnectors.com/EV_brochure.pdf ... https://evconnectors.com/electric-vehicle-chargers-and-accessories/Type-2-Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Cables-and-Sockets ... http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/21244-DC-charging-on-type-2-mode-3 'Tesla supercharges w/ type 2 connector without the extra dc-high pins' http://mobilityhouse.com/en/charging-cable-and-plug-types/ EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Why-all-EVgo-s-L3-EVSE-eggs-in-one-basket-a-paradigm-shift-of-charging-200-mi-EVs-tp4679127p4679156.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
