On 12 Jan 2016 at 11:46, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > And grumpy ol'd grudge laiden people unwilling to try anything new just > hold us all back.
I guess I wasn't entirely clear here. It's not just that I'm holding a grudge. It's that GM is doing things that I consider unethical and will not support. Read the link I provided. http://consumerist.com/2015/05/20/gm-that-car-you-bought-were-really-the- ones-who-own-it/ http://v.gd/Qf35dR As it turns out, GM partly lost this round. The US Copyright Office ruled against their attempt to use the law to keep us out of their cars' computers. But as I read it, the ruling is narrow, and leaves them room to maneuver. The ruling also probably wouldn't have happened if not for the VW emissions scandal. GM is just jumping on a bandwagon here. For example, the big media companies love downloads because, unlike physical books, CDs, and DVDs, you don't actually own them and you can't resell them. Your money buys only the right to use them within the limits the company dictates. GM wants this too. They're arguing, in effect, that they should be able to to sell you the RIGHT TO USE their vehicles, rather than selling you the actual vehicles. Though they may have lost this round, I guarantee they'll keep fighting until they get their way. But they're not going to fight that legal battle with my money. THAT'S the main reason I'm never buying a GM car. It's the same reason that I no longer buy those outstanding LRR tires that Nokian makes. I bought them almost exclusively for 15 years. Then they transferred their manufacturing to Russia. And I'll be dammed if I'm going to voluntarily give Putin and Company my money. See ya! I still have my personal ethics, and those ethics say "don't give your money to people who do bad stuff." BTW, while I am getting kind of old, and sometimes hold a grudge, I'm definitely not unwilling to try anything new. On 12 Jan 2016 at 10:35, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: > It's important to remember that corporations aren't people. They're > > more like sharks looking for food. You can't train a shark, but you > can have some control over it if you control its food supply. > If it goes somewhere that is beneficial, like manufacturing EVs, make > sure there's a good supply of food for it there. I think that used to work. It may still work with small companies and those really sensitive to their images. I'm not so sure it makes much difference with big corporations, though. They have so much PR, advertising, and political muscle that they can almost manufacture demand at will. In this case, I doubt that our demand will keep GM's EVs available. In 2014, GM sold 18,805 Volts. The same year, they sold 529,755 Silverados - TWENTY-EIGHT (28) times as many. GM's total sales across all models and brands were 2,935,008. Volt sales were just 0.6% of this total. And depending on which source you believe, either GM lost $50k per car, or made almost no profit on each one. On GM's profit map, the Volt is a tiny dot on a tiny dot with an arrow saying "You are here." Does anyone here really think that GM would continue offering the Volt and Bolt if California's zev requirements went away? I assure you, they aren't building and selling them because it's "the right thing to do." David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
