What's your problems? I never said 12.9. I said greater than. That's why I posted the link so it'd be clear.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> Date: 1/12/2016 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lead battery charging to 13.2v You understand that the row labeled "Charger Voltage Setting" is not the actual voltage coming out of the charger, but the knob position or setting that you would see printed on the faceplate of the charger. (See note #3 directly under table 3.) The actual voltage that comes out of the charger when you set it to "12v" is either 13.8-14.4 volts if the "charge" indicator is on, or 13.5 volts if the "float" indicator is lit. The very lowest charge voltage listed for a "12 volt" battery is 13.2 volts. A 12v battery simply won't charge fully with less voltage. This is the very definition of the "float" voltage. It is the _minimum_ voltage needed to _maintain_ a lead acid battery at 100% charge. Below the float voltage, the battery will never charge fully. At 12.9 volts, it likely would not charge very much, if at all. This assumes of course that the battery is at 25 Celsius, of course. You would need a higher voltage at lower temperature and a lower voltage at higher temperature. Batteries are very very complicated chemical beasts. They are not ideal electrical devices, and don't follow simple rules like most electrical components. If you want to learn a little about batteries, I would suggest that you start by reading: Battery Reference Book, by T. R. Crompton http://survival-training.info/Library/Batteries/Battery%20Reference%20Book%203rd%20ed%20-%20T.%20Crompton.pdf and Rechargeable Batteries Application Handbook, by Gates Energy http://www.amazon.com/Rechargeable-Batteries-Applications-Handbook-Engineers/dp/0750670061 For the small investment of ~$40 or so, and a number of evening's time, you can gain a decent basic knowledge of rechargeable battery technology. Not at all a light read, I'm afraid. Bill Dube' On 1/12/2016 7:22 PM, dovepa via EV wrote: > Besides Bill, I can read too! > Take a look at table 3. > Point was I don't need Lee's opinion or yours or anyone else's this sort of > information is provided by the manufacturer. > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message > --------From: Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> Date: 1/12/2016 6:17 PM > (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: > Re: [EVDL] Lead battery charging to 13.2v > You say 2.15 volts per cell. That is 2.15 x 6 = 12.9 volts for a "12 > volt" lead acid battery. That is the _incorrect_ voltage for charging a > 12 volt battery. The battery would never reach 100% charge at that voltage. > > You would want to charge to at least the "float" voltage of 13.2 volts. > The battery would eventually reach full charge at the float voltage. It > might take a long time, but it would get there. > > According to the Trojan battery reference (that _you_ gave,) you have a > choice of a float voltage of 13.2 volts, or a "daily charge" of 14.8 > volts, or an "equalize charge" of 15.5 volts. > > The Trojan page you referenced is specific to _flooded_ lead acid > batteries however, rather than the sealed lead acid battery, either AGM > or perhaps "Gell Cell", that the fellow was originally asking advice > about. If that is indeed the fact (likely not, as a "gell cell" is > typically really a VRLA AGM these days,) then something between 13.2 to > 14.4 would be the appropriate voltage, just as Lee Hart's battery page > says. > > A real gell cell would foam the gelled electrolyte if you gave it an > "equalize" charge listed on the Trojan battery page, and that would be > the end of it. > > Bill Dube' > > > > On 1/12/2016 11:49 AM, dovepa via EV wrote: >> There are things you can do to maximize life of the cells and the >>manufactures have recommended voltage and current settings but they will >>charge all the way up with anything above 2.15 volts. >> I prefer to go to manufactures recommendations myself. >> http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/ >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message >> --------From: Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> Date: 1/12/2016 12:35 PM >> (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lead battery charging to 13.2v >> Paul, >> >> It is not so simple. >> As David suggests, it is best to read Lee Hart's battery charging basics: >> http://www.evdl.org/pages/hartcharge.html >> >> There is a _lot_ more to charging batteries than >> you might think. Even Lee's "brief" tutorial >> leaves quite a few of the subtleties out. >> >> Bill D. >> >> At 10:37 AM 1/12/2016, you wrote: >>> Lead acid cell voltage is 2.15 volts. 6 cells >>> make 12.9 volts. Anything above 12.9 will charge >>> it fully. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE >>> smartphone-------- Original message >>> --------From: Robert Bruninga via EV >>> <[email protected]> Date: 1/12/2016 9:07 >>> AM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> Subject: [EVDL] Lead >>> battery charging to 13.2v I put a gel cell on a >>> benchtop power supply and it charged overnight >>> to zero current at about 13.2v. So I upped it >>> to 13.8 to finish the charge and it basically >>> would not take cany more current. I always >>> thought the 13.8 and even 14v was the float >>> voltage and you had to at least get to that >>> voltage. I also remember that something like >>> 13.2 is the highest one should go to provent any >>> gassing Anyway, if one leaves a battery >>> overnight on 13.2v and it tapers to 0, is it >>> âfullâ. If so, what is 13.8 all >>> aboiut. Bob -------------- next part >>> -------------- An HTML attachment was >>> scrubbed... URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160112/c3d15243/attachment.htm> >>> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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