Great breakdown of the cycles below.  I just did a search on ebay for Leafs, 
found this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissan-Leaf-SL-Certified-2011-25K-MILES-1-OWNER-REARCAM-CRUISE-/391389217496?forcerrptr=true&hash=item5b209d82d8:g:veAAAOSwvUlWs70D&item=391389217496

$8980.

You can barely find a used 2011 ICE for this much…

From Lawrence’s peg-board youtube link, does anyone have the measurements of 
the battery undercarriage section of a Leaf?  My eventual goal is to convert my 
1966 Mustang into a daily-driving EV.  I have no desire to keep any part of it 
stock, so the idea of completely replacing the undercarriage with a Leaf’s is 
certainly appealing…

thanks,
-lev

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Lee Hart via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
>> When I realized I couldn't build a nice electric car for what I could
>> buy one for I gave up and bought a used Leaf EV.
> 
> So did I. We added a 2013 Leaf to my EV collection. It's hard to beat the 
> fit/finish/features for the price. It's my wife's car. She prefers the 
> comforts of new modern cars to drive any old conversion.
> 
> At the present time (the peak of the latest EV boom/bust cycle), it's better 
> to buy new than to build/convert. You basically can't *give* away conversions 
> at this point in the cycle. Conversions only do well during the "bust" phase 
> of the cycle, when you can't get auto company EVs.
> 
> I'd love to see us avoid the usual "bust" part of the cycle this time, but 
> history has a habit of repeating itself...
> 
> - It's happened many times before.
>       (history is the best predictor of the future)
> - Gas prices are amazingly low.
>       (EV sales down, truck/SUV sales up)
> - We're set to switch back to an all-republican government.
>       (There go all the EV subsidies. Back to drill baby drill.)
> - Auto and oil companies are fervently looking for a new holy grail.
>       (diesel, fuel cell, tar sand, fracking, natural gas, biofuel...
>       ANYTHING to maintain the status quo with minimal change.)
> 
>> My next project might be an Ultravan (3000 pound RV) with a Leaf drive train.
> 
> That's an interesting idea. :-) I've always liked Corvairs. My first car was 
> a 1961 Corvair, and I still own my 1965 Corvair Corsa. I keep dreaming of 
> converting it into an Electrovair. Notice how similar the specs are to the 
> much-later EV1.
> 
> https://history.gmheritagecenter.com/wiki/index.php/1966_Electrovair_II_Concept
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> your thinking.        -- anonymous
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