If he's drawing energy from only one battery at a time and he has 12, then to get the same performance as he would using all 12 at once, each has to supply 12x the current. Either that or the voltage has to be 12x higher. Or some equivalent combination.

That sounds problematic for reasons that have been discussed here many times. High voltage means more tiny cells in series with lots more BMS components. And not to mention the added danger of running around with 3000V instead of 300V. And the potential arcing on contactors and the need for other high voltage components.

High current means more resistive losses both inside the cells and outside. Higher current contactors, etc., are needed too. Probably harder and the cells' life as well.

Or maybe he just super-compromised performance.

It would be helpful to hear Shrinkle's thoughts on this. From what he's doing, I suspect he's mulled all this over.

Peri



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http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/apr/27/protopye-electric-car-could-point-way-future/
Prototype Electric Car Could Point The Way To The Future
April 27, 2016  Erik Anderson

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Aired 4/27/16 on KPBS Radio News  UC San Diego engineers plan to put an
electric car through a challenging cross-country journey. They're covering a
2,500-mile trip in less than two days, which can't be done with current
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Modular batteries in the rear of Lou Shrinkle's electric Volkswagen car,
April 11, 2016  / Matthew Bowler
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UC San Diego engineers plan to put an electric car through a challenging cross-country journey. They're covering a 2,500-mile trip in less than two
days, which can't be done with current battery technology.

Lou Shrinkle's Volkswagen looks like any other passenger car of its kind. But it's different: Every time he turns on the ignition, an annoying alarm goes off. The car warns the retired engineer that there's a problem with the
engine.

"Of course, there is," Shrinkle said, laughing as he examined his car
earlier in April. "There's a fuel system problem."

The vehicle's diagnostic system was telling him it couldn't find the proper engine fluids, which wasn't surprising to Shrinkle — the internal combustion
engine has been removed and replaced with an electrical power plant.

That isn't unusual, but how the car stores its fuel is unique.

Shrinkle stood by the backdoor of the car and peeked inside. He leaned in
and grabbed a suitcase-sized box.

"OK, pulling the module connectors," Shrinkle said. He grabbed hold of the
heavy battery so it slides out of the car. "Now this module contains 48
lithium, iron, phosphate batteries. It weighs about 30 pounds. Again, that's
about twice as heavy as it needs to be."

The car has more than a dozen individual battery modules that work together
to feed the engine. Each can be pulled out and replaced in less than a
minute.

"Back in," Shrinkle said as he popped a clamp into place with a loud pop.
"And it's now engaged."

That modular battery system makes this car completely different from other
electric cars.

Most electric vehicles typically rely on one large battery, tucked away
under the passenger seats or in the trunk, to store the energy needed for propulsion. That battery may need to be charged overnight, or with a fast
charger be fueled up in a couple of hours.

Demand for a new business model
It is a business model that doesn't make sense to UC San Diego Engineering professor Raymond de Callafon, who's developing a new system that's going to
be tested on Shrinkle's car this summer.

Callafon called the reliance on refueling a single battery impractical. De Callafon said fast charging isn't a solution because speeding up how fast a
battery can be refilled requires more energy.

De Callafon thinks swapping battery modules goes a long way toward
eliminating the refueling dilemma.

"Imagine that now you're driving your car, and let's say its 40 percent or 50 percent empty," de Callafon said. "You would have to charge it. Here you could actually take, if you have 10 modules in your car, and take five out — those are the ones that are empty — and put five in and you're completely
replenished."

The system could operate like it does for propane fuel tanks used to fuel backyard grills, de Callafon said. Empty batteries could be exchanged for
fully-charged ones.

De Callafon is developing a control system that'll manage groups of
batteries. The modules can be older and newer. They can be full or partially empty. His system will allow different batteries to work together to feed an
electric motor.

Think of it as a cruise control system for electrical power. Once standards
are adopted, batteries could take on a variety of tasks.

"To be able to have the flexibility of moving energy around — you see it now from people who like to store their solar (energy) in a battery in their garage. And then (they) are able to move it into their car, or move those batteries in other utilities, a lawnmower or any equipment you have," de
Callafon said.
Modular batteries in the rear of Lou Shrinkle's electric Volkswagen car,
April 11, 2016.

The concept has a chance to change the way people use electricity, and the system could completely upend the electric vehicle business. Car companies
currently sell the batteries inside an electrical car. With modules,
batteries could be bought from third party sellers and car companies would
only be selling the vehicle. That could sharply reduce the cost of an
electric car.

Lab work is key to progress
"The challenge is that the batteries have to work as a system," de Callafon
said. "It's a system's way of thinking. They have to be part of the
integration."

That system research is what his team is working on in the lab.

Ph.D. student Xin Zhao came to the UC San Diego after working on electric
cars in China.

"Here, I just want to turn on the power supply," Zhao said. "So we want to simulate the batteries. So (with) each power supply, I'm setting the voltage
and current output of this."

Zhao is helping refine the control systems that let the batteries
communicate wirelessly. Complex algorithms manage each battery's voltage,
storage capacity and ability to communicate with both the car and other
batteries. Those control systems can also gauge demand and modulate the flow of energy to an electric engine. They will decide whether to tap into one or
two or more battery modules.

"Do we want to deplete a certain amount of modules rather than the entire battery pack? Or charge it back or so? If there's a chance that we can get this done, then the scheduling will be a good feature for this technology,"
Zhao said.

The real proof of concept comes this summer. That's when a team of
researchers, students and volunteers will take Shrinkle's car on a
cross-country odyssey.

The idea is to drive more than 2,500 miles from San Diego to Charleston,
South Carolina.

"If we're driving across the country we figure there will be about 20 to 25 stops," Shrinkle said. "That's plenty of work. And we're doing all that in a
period of two days."

The two-day trip is possible because there are no long charging stops.
Battery modules will be swapped out in a matter of minutes and the car will
continue on its way.

It's a grueling 45-hour proof of concept that could have engineers swapping new ideas about how batteries power electric vehicles and other appliances.
[© 2016 KPBS Public Broadcasting]




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