I'm assuming a "gyro-cycle" wouldn't tilt when cornering. While different, would that necessarily make for a bad riding experience? It might have better traction than a motorcycle leaning into a turn since the tire can be designed for one orientation.

Apart from cornering, I'm wondering what the effect would be on change in pitch. That's not so dramatic as cornering but still needs to be accommodated.

Peri

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From: "Chris Tromley via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 21-Jun-16 7:51:58 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Knockoff.cn motivation> $24k Lit C–1 self-balancing 2whl EV r:150mi ts:100mph

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here. A self-balancing motorcycle is a mind-crushingly complex problem to solve. Lit recently brought on a highly qualified controls engineer, but they still haven't shown a video of
a prototype doing anything but very slow and ultra-basic moves.  In the
real world you need to handle multiple overlapping transitions in real
time.  Lit doesn't get that concept, nor do they have the technical
horsepower to get there.

Motorcycles and cars use very different approaches to steering. Lit has chosen to use the car approach in their motorcycle - which not only adds to the technical challenge, but also guarantees this vehicle's dynamics will
feel weird to both car drivers and motorcycle riders.

I fear Lit, and now its Chinese copycat, will become very expensive
failures.

Chris
On Jun 21, 2016 6:48 AM, "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]> wrote:

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Knockoffs-cn-motivate-gt-24k-Lit-C-1-self-balancing-2whl-EV-r-150mi-ts-100mph-td4682694.html
 ]

 % Always a yrsold prototype, never a product4sale> still trolling4$ %

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/lit-motors-aev-gets-chinese-knockoff/
 Lit Motors is readying its auto-balancing two-wheeler as a Chinese
 challenger appears
 June 18, 2016  Albert Khoury

 [image
 http://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/lit_motors-c1_05-2-640x0.jpg
 lit motors aev gets chinese knockoff
 ]

 It’s been nearly five years since Lit Motors unveiled its C-1
 Auto-Balancing
Electric Vehicle (AEV), which was slated to go on sale in 2013. The San Francisco-based company has yet to put it into production, and now one
 Chinese company is taking advantage of the delay.

The lightweight C–1 commuter is laid out like a motorcycle, but Lit Motors promises a greater degree of safety. The vehicle’s gyroscopic stability technology keeps it from tipping over, and an early video even showed a
 dramatization of it recovering after being struck by a car.

Over 1,000 people have placed reservations for a C-1, but they’re going to
 have to wait a while to take delivery. Elektrek reports that after
 receiving
funding from Mark Pincus, co-founder and CEO at Zynga, and Larry Page, co-founder of Google and CEO of Alphabet, Lit Motors is looking for more money. In a recent conference, Kim said that with $20 million, production
 can commence in about 24 months.

Lit Motors CEO Danny Kim composed a letter to hopeful customers this week, updating them on the stages of progress. “In addition to developing EP-5,
 we
 unlocked the doors to our storage facility and revived our beloved
 prototype
EP-4 for dynamics testing,” Kim stated. “After installing a new custom battery pack, we are rediscovering all of the elegant, innovative solutions
 we made to this piece of engineering/design history.”

Kim also mentioned that the company will be offering test drives in San
 Francisco for those who pre-ordered a vehicle.

Chinese companies have come under fire many times (with little repercussion in many cases) for blatantly ripping off vehicle designs from heavy hitters such as BMW, Mercedes, and Rolls Royce. This is apparently not limited to four-wheel transport, as Beijing-based Lingyun Intelligent Technology is
 developing its own gyroscopically balanced two-wheeler.

Though a little healthy competition can be a good thing, you can’t deny the
 striking similarities between startup LIT’s (even the acronym raises
suspicion) vehicle and Lit Motors’ AEV. The video below shows the single seater in question as well as a two seater, which were displayed at the
 recent Beijing Auto Show:

Lingyun reported a “USD 8-digit Series A funding round” from “Beijing-based angel investment fund Geek Bang, China Broadband Capital, Sequoia Capital China, ZhenFund and Beijing-based private equity fund Hillhouse Capital
 Management.”

As is the usual case with these types of knockoffs, the original should be
 a
better machine. Lit Motors predicts a 150-mile range on a 10kWh battery
 pack
with a top speed of 100 mph, while Lingyun’s concept should get 62 miles on
 a 3kWh pack and hit 62 mph.

 Lingyun has not announced any pricing, but Lit Motors places a tag of
$24,000. This is higher than earlier estimates, which were quoted as low as
 $16,000.
 [© digitaltrends.com]



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lit_Motors
Lit Motors Inc. is a San Francisco-based company that designs two-wheeled vehicles, including ... In 2011 the company announced plans for a first small production run in 2013 ... "It will take a 'baby elephant' to knock
 over this bike" ...
 http://litmotors.com/
 ...
 [video  dated
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0m-cUxMcJw
 Lit Motors unveils all-electric, fully enclosed motorcycle
 SmartPlanetCBS's channel Sep 12, 2011
Lit Motors CEO Daniel Kim wants to reinvent the motorcycle as we know it today. His idea? To design and manufacture a fully enclosed, two-wheeled motorcycle that runs purely on electric. SmartPlanet gets an exclusive
 first
 look at the C1-concept vehicle and its patented gyroscopic stability
 technology that helps prevent it from tipping over.
 ]
 ...
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/always+the+bridesmaid,+never+the+bride
 always a bridesmaid, never a bride
 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/always_a_bridesmaid,_never_a_bride




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