>From what I have seen, there are two major reasons that so many Leafs
are available at low prices:
1. Lease end. 3 years after starting the lease on a new EV, the Lease
runs out and many EV'ers noticed how Nissan was not very forthcoming
with honoring battery warranty and ever so slightly re-defining the
terms of the warranty (by requiring the re-programming of the car to
better calibrate the accuracy of the capacity indication, but according
to the experience, this also meant that instead of changing the battery
when it lost the original warrantied percentage of capacity, the battery
actually had to drop more than that, 4 bars which is from the claimed
64Ah new to about 43 Ah and this means a battery is only replaced under
warranty when it is down to 2/3 capacity. Many lessees saw the
degradation of range happening in their vehicle and were not inclined to
buy the car, so a large glut of cars has been spewing forth from Lease
End occurrences.
2. Leaf owners (some had bought a used ex-Lease Leaf cheap) notice that
while the vehicle might originally have been able to meet their range
needs, the continuing decline of range due to capacity loss now makes
their vehicle unsuitable for their daily driving needs, so they sell it.
Plenty cheap 8, 9 and 10 bar Leafs on Craigslist. Ask about the bars
that are still available on the display and most cases you don't even
get an answer.
I have helped two local Leaf'ers by installing a new battery with the
better-than-new 66 Ah capacity so they can again enjoy their 5 years old
vehicle as they did when they bought it. New packs should also show
slightly lower deterioration (the so-called "Lizard" packs where the
cell is slightly different chemistry to allow them to withstand high
temperatures better).
Time will tell how these packs will behave and I know for a fact that at
least some 2015 are degrading in capacity as I have seen 2 Leafs from
2015 with loss of capacity, though I do not know if those packs were
already "Lizard" cells that were introduced somewhere during 2015 if I
am not mistaken.
One 2015 with one bar loss was an auction sale of a 50,000 mile car from
a security company. The other 2015 is a pack that I installed which was
claimed to have only 5k miles but I suspect it was kept at 100% charge
all the time and in a warm climate as it was down from 66 to 60Ah and
some cells were starting to expand - a typical response to heat *and*
high SoC.

Anyway - Leafs continue to be in demand, but a lot of them are the
classical EV situation "needs new batteries" and thus go for ridiculous
low prices.
Of course it does not help that you can lease a Leaf for close to
nothing and have no worry about batteries...

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-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EVDL
Administrator via EV
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:36 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

On 25 Oct 2016 at 0:12, via EV wrote:

> What I had in batteries would buy a used Leaf now with low miles and
12
> bars. At least here in Seattle. 

Used Leaves are indeed going for unsettlingly low prices.

I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds of
EV 
owners who trade in their cars replace them with ICEVs.  That may be one

reason that there's such a glut of used Leaves on the market (which in
turn 
is why they're so cheap).  It's also not too promising a sign for the
future 
of EVs.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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