The National Federation for the Blind (NFB) and the American Council of the

Blind have been vocal regarding the perceived hazard of too-quiet vehicles 
because blind people use the sounds of traf c to determine when it is safe to 
cross streets (Sau- erburger, 2008). These organizations have lobbied the 
government and vehicle manufacturers to build in some type of obvious noise 
when a vehicle is in quiet, low-speed opera- tion (NFB, 2010). 

http://www.asse.org/assets/1/7/Fender_0111.pdf

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> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Please, no automatic backup beepers.
> Have you ever had any construction done near your home at night and all
> night long you hear the stupid beep-beep-beep every time the
> professional equipment reversed direction?
> There are countries in Europe where the beepers must be silenced at
> night exactly for reasons like this - noise pollution.
> I have lived in India where it is common to have (aftermarket) backup
> beepers and it is very disturbing that every time someone tries to park
> their car adjacent to your home, you get woken by their backup beeper as
> if that is a good alternative for paying attention while backing up!
> Please, don't get me started on backup beepers.
> Noise makers to help the blind to orient themselves on where they can
> expect quiet cars, that is an acceptable approach.
> I like Lee's suggestion to include *every* quiet car into this
> legislation, not just EVs and I like Elon Musk's suggestion to project a
> noise only towards pedestrians actually present.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Harris
> via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:46 AM
> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules
> by 2019/09
> 
> Well I agree that until pedestrians don't have the right of way _period_
> we need to deal with this.  The approach of having a noise emitted at
> low speed is really not a big deal, most of the time it's inaudible
> inside the car.  I think a turbine whine at low speed and maybe even a
> beep beep when the turn signal is on or the wheel is turned beyond a
> certain point would be just good.  People do get distracted for lots of
> reasons; kids fighting is a good one, that having some ancillary noise
> would be useful.  What we could do is lobby to ensure like backup
> beepers this is put into all cars, we all know that modern gas cars can
> be exceedingly quiet as well.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 08:37, Rush Dougherty via EV <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thos True
> via EV
>>> It is the pedestrian blinded by electronics technology that we need
> to concern 
>>> ourselves with!
>> 
>> I couldn't agree with you more, how many times do we hear of or see
> utube videos 
>> of somebody so engrossed in their phone conversation or playing their
> game or 
>> looking at fb on their phone that they walk into fountains, enter
> intersections, 
>> fall into holes totally oblivious to what is in front of them.
>> 
>> Not having a 'noise' that is like a 'car' is such BS in my opinion, it
> is just a 
>> way to force EV's into the gasser mentality. I was taught to look both
> ways before 
>> crossing, I used to live in NYC where I jaywalked all the time and
> never got hit. 
>> Is there a statistical  analysis that shows who gets hit where? Or is
> all this 'we 
>> must have a sound' just anecdotal? Is there an actual study that says
> that people 
>> are likely to get run over by a car with no sound when they just cross
> without 
>> paying any attention to the roadway? Or is all just conjecture.
>> 
>> Rush Dougherty
>> Tucson AZ 85719
>> 
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