[ref ( ...1967 article ) https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg19365.html >Why did GM stop (Electrovair) development? In 1967 (and again in 2000) there was a sudden shift to hydrogen fuel cells as the new "fuel of the future"< ]
% The following is OT (please keep evdl discussions EV related) ... show EV-competition & efforts by Big Oil,Auto against EVs % http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108397_toyota-mirai-touted-in-ad-on-electric-car-charging-station Toyota Mirai touted in ad on electric-car charging station Jan 18, 2017 John Voelcker ht2 John Briggs [images http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/ad-for-toyota-mirai-on-electric-car-charging-station-los-angeles-jan-2017-photo-michael-thwaite_100589572_l.jpg Ad for Toyota Mirai on electric-car charging station, Los Angeles, Jan 2017 / Michael Thwaite http://images.hgmsites.net/med/handicapped-parking-sign-photo-by-ane-cecilie-blicfheldt-norden-org_100438846_m.jpg Handicapped parking sign / Ane Cecilie Blicfheldt/norden.org ] ... Tesla owner and electric-car advocate Michael Thwaite was startled to see a video ad for the Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel-cell sedan appear on an electric-car charging station at a Los Angeles Whole Foods market. He snapped a photo of the ad, and posted it on Facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/MichaelThwaite ], which was where we saw it. The screen on the other side of the charging station, he noted, showed an ad offering two hours of free charging, courtesy of the new 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV, GM's 238-mile electric hatchback. The Bolt EV ad certainly makes sense, targeting either existing drivers of plug-in cars using the station or those interested enough to pay attention to the ads on the pedestal. As for the Mirai ad, no doubt Toyota's agency felt that electric-car drivers would be a more likely audience for an advanced-tech and zero-emission vehicle than your average large SUV drivers parked in the store's main lot. And in a bit of counter-programming, the Mirai ad contains the line, "Refills in 5 minutes or less." That's presumably targeted at the electric-car driver accustomed to using the 240-Volt Level 2 charging offered at most stations in store parking lots. Those charging sites can add 20 or 25 miles of range per hour, but certainly can't recharge the complete battery in the Mirai's claimed 5 minutes. Electric-car owners, of course, will point out that since most plug-in cars are recharged at home overnight, that charging rate isn't necessarily an issue for them. And, as more than one commenter suggested on Thwaite's Facebook post, hydrogen stations remain scarce ... In his post, Thwaite noted the general confusion produced around the issue of using that particular charging station. The 2-hour free charging offer, he noted, conflicts with the 90-minute maximum parking time Whole Foods has posted at the entrance to its parking garage. The charging station itself, he added, is located next to a pair of handicapped parking spaces—surely not intended for electric cars to use for charging. His conclusion about the Mirai ad on the back side of the charging station? "Face-palm [ https://www.google.com/search?q=Facepalm ( ... an expression of disbelief, shame, or exasperation)]." Through December 2016, Toyota has delivered 1,106 Mirais to California lessees over its 15 months of availability. [© 2016 Green Car Reports] ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091940_lexus-ad-not-only-sneers-at-plug-ins-but-gets-charging-wrong Lexus Ad Not Only Sneers At Plug-Ins, But Gets Charging Wrong ... [dated] http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095388_lexus-ct-200h-hybrid-ad-slams-electric-bmw-i3-gloves-come-off Lexus CT 200h Hybrid Ad Slams Electric BMW i3: Gloves Come Off (Nov 2014) ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1042037_toyota-prius-plug-in-hybrid-ad-shows-driver-not-plugging-in-video Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrid Ad Shows Driver...Not Plugging In (Video) ... http://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-mirai-fuel-cell-sedan-advertised-on-ev-charging-station-is-ironic-114746.html Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Sedan Advertised on EV Charging Station Is ... 18 Jan 2017 ... there is a war being fought right now between battery-powered electric cars and hydrogen ... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/automakers-oil-companies-team-up-to-push-hydrogen-investments/ Automakers, oil companies team up to push hydrogen ... January 18, 2017 - Automakers, oil companies team up to push hydrogen investments ... Automakers have only dabbled in hydrogen-electric drivetrains thus far ... ... http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/18/hydrogen-council-_n_14257272.html Auto Giants Team Up To Invest In Hydrogen (Not Electric) Cars 01/18/2017 Hydrogen-powered cars are a tempting alternative for auto manufacturers. They offer the incentive of have a much larger range than electric vehicles, and take ... ... http://boereport.com/2017/01/17/toyota-shell-among-auto-and-oil-giants-forming-hydrogen-council/ Toyota, Shell Among Auto and Oil Giants Forming Hydrogen Council January 17, 2017 Toyota Motor Corp. and four of its biggest car-making peers are joining oil and ... to convince consumers to use gasoline-electric hybrids and fuel cell vehicles ... ... https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/17/auto-and-oil-industries-want-to-pit-hydrogen-cars-against-evs/ Auto and oil industries want to pit hydrogen cars against EVs Jan 17, 2017 Oh, and a big bucket of new subsidies for the oil and gas industry, since the ... 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