On 18 Oct 2018 at 22:50, robert winfield via EV wrote:

> absolutely, categorically it is completely false to even imply that
> Musk and the Saudi's were joining forces in any way except as
> antagonists 

I can't see where "absolutely, categorically" false comes from here.  Nor do 
I see any antagonism, other than the fact that the Saudis also invested in a 
Tesla competitor, though I might have missed something.  

Don't forget that Elon Musk is at core a businessman.  

He may be more "green" (environmentally focused) than most business people, 
and perhaps one of the  greenest CEO in the auto sector, and thank goodness 
for that.  We need more of that in business.

However, the green of money also matters to him. And if he doesn't manage to 
turn a profit with Tesla, he's not going to be able to continue making cars 
for very long.  Can you imagine how it would all go down if he had to sell 
Tesla to, say, Ford or GM?  

Right now, Tesla still needs investors.  The Saudi Wealth Fund is one of 
them.  They invested in Tesla.  That's a matter of public record.  

Important: they invested on the open market.  It's quite possible that Musk 
didn't invite them to do so and had no foreknowledge of the investment. 

But even if that's so, he DID take note of it.  And when Musk was floating 
the idea of taking Tesla private, he bragged that he had financing lined up. 
If I understand the reports correctly, some of that financing, though not 
all, would have been from the Saudi Wealth Fund.

So clearly he'd discussed and negotiated that financing with the Saudis.  Is 
that "joining forces"? Depends on your perspective, I guess.

The thing is, the above matters are already public knowledge.   No matter 
how much some folks here might want to help Tesla by shushing everyone else 
up about it, so as not to feed the Tesla naysayers, it's too late.  The 
proverbial cat is out of the proverbial bag.  The proverbial horse has fled 
the proverbial barn.  Et cetera.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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