On 11/2/18 6:09 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

So is it fair to say that battery electrics are not EVs because the electricity 
comes from fossil fuels? That’s preposterous.

No argument there.  I'll certainly accept hydrogen cars as electric.

However, the real issue is hydrogen economic viability. As I understand, a fool cell car takes about three times the energy to travel a given distance as a bev. Maybe it's even worse than that? With no remedy on the horizon. Primarily Toyota has used fool cells as an excuse for retaining ICE "just a little longer until we get this hydrogen thing figured out". This has been debated many years. With Tesla's progress in battery cost and range, the debate is now over.

% Warning4 EVangels: Lots of TMC/pepsi-pr effort on this one.

It took me a while to equate "TMC" to "Toyota Motor Company". In the Tesla world, it means "Tesla Motor Club", primarily a Tesla discussion forum. Toyota is rarely mentioned or considered in the Tesla world,

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