Hi  Bill and All,                 As you know there is a solution to 
long range MCs and it is aerodynamics.    As the E Tracer, others have showed.  
               By  turning the brick into a clean airflow you can double range 
at speed for about 15lbs of plastic in the form of a real aero fairing and most 
any E MC.                It is far cheaper, lighter than more batteries and 
amazes me EV MC companies,  people have put them on saving $1,000s in battery.  
            The only thing keeping me back from building a 200 mile range aero 
2 wheel streamliner is 4-5 Tesla battery modules as my Volt modules are too 
heavy, take too much space, can't be used.               Though putting a full 
aero  body on my newest E Woody trike MC that does have the room for Volt 
modules and can put up to 300 miles worth, likely just 180 miles though.   Not 
only room for more batteries but enough to lay down, sleep in for when my back 
gives out.               I'm putting 2  K91 motors from a Crown Pallet Jack  in 
and chain driven to a golf cart transaxle with 1 to move the trike and the 
second  to tow an aero trailer  at 65mph long distance power.                
The GC motor didn't have the power, top speed only 45mph and was too much 
unsprung weight giving a harsh ride.  By putting the motors on the 'firewall'  
it gives me the gearing, power I need at less unsprung weight, more comfort.    
            My other news is just got a near free 26' Chrysler sailboat that a 
marina seized for non payment but no one bid.              I'm turning it into 
a solar boat to live on as I move to St Pete.  Luckily I already have lead 
batteries from a lead to lithium conversion I  did and some free solar panels, 
other things I'll have little money in it.             You can now buy a well 
founded liveaboard size sailboat in Florida ready to sail for under $3k and 
ones like mine that need work, much, much  less.                Many have bad 
motors ready to switch to E drive and if you anchor in a tidal current, can 
recharge your batteries with it.   Look on craigslist for them.                 
   Jerry Dycus                        
    On Wednesday, November 13, 2019, 09:33:22 AM UTC, Bill Dube via EV 
<[email protected]> wrote:  
 
 On 11/13/2019 8:44 PM, Paul Compton via EV wrote:
> An small motorcycle and rider has roughly the same drag at 60mpg as a small 
> car.

     This is the main problem with typical motorcycles. They are 
basically a brick, aerodynamically. This is compounded by the lack of 
space and load carrying ability for a decent battery pack. Very 
difficult to make an electric bike with decent range.

Bill D.

>
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 at 05:02, evtlfp20 via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I seen add on battery packs for cars and am surprised  how small they
>> are,  so that must mean watts per mile is way lower.
>>
>> My scooter uses 40 amps  at 72 volt s and 40 mph . so whats my watts per
>> mile ?
>>
>> verses like a leaf at 40 mph ?
>>
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