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1. Re: The lithium basket (paul dove)
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:04:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: paul dove <[email protected]>
To: EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The lithium basket
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Lithium is not an issue. One of the most common minerals and a very small
amount is in a battery cell.
Cobalt and other ingredients are the issue.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:08:43 AM CST, EVDL Administrator via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
Lee Hart has commented several times about the way engineers tend to play
follow-the-leader.? Thus it is that we have, in effect, entirely laid all
our road EV eggs in the lithium basket.
I can see the possibility that once we reach a point where a significant
percentage of vehicles on the road are powered by lithium batteries, the
need for litium mining will decline as old batteries are recycled.?
But unless we find or develop a battery type that uses more common, more
plentiful materials, reaching that point means mining one heck of a LOT of
lithium.
I was reminded of this by a piece in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/08/the-curse-of-white-oil-electric-
vehicles-dirty-secret-lithium
https://v.gd/NRrCfO
The title notwithstanding, it's NOT a hit piece on EVs, it just points out
that to achieve the EU's goals will require mining a fair bit of lithium.
And it turns out that lithium mining hits closer to home than I realized.
Maybe I've confused it with the materials that go into motors, but I sort of
had the impression that lithium mostly came from third world dictatorships.?
Not that that's GOOD, mind you.? Those places aren't known for being
concerned with either the environment or the poor folks doing the mining
work.
But look at who supplies the literal majority of the lithium.? It's
Australia that provides 55%.? I had no idea.
The other surprise is that Portugal has large lithium deposits.
It sounds like the Portugese, who the article say are generally somewhat
less "green" than other western EU folk,? may be facing something not too
far removed from the horrendous and destructive mountaintop removal mining
carried out in West Virginia here in the US.
That's not a good look for EVs, and it gives more ammunition to the anti-EV
forces.
In saying that I don't mean to minimize the very real environmental
degradation that can come from mining.?
And of course one difference is that the lithium is mined and then used for
years in an EV, as opposed to petroleum being pumped continuously to keep
feeding the ICEV hordes.
What, if anything, is on the horizon that might lessen EVs' dependence on
lithium?
David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
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