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Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, March 1, 2021, 12:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks. That's very encouraging. I suppose I will try it first (assuming I buy) but I'm fairly certain I'll want the spacers. << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "(-Phil-)" <[email protected]> To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Sent: 01-Mar-21 10:15:58 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] air dam >You can high-center the car on the battery box and not incur damage. >If you were driving like you mentioned, I don't see any problems other >than a few scratches. Case study: My wife's Model S has been over >several parking curbs over the years, including one that actually got >her stuck. I had to go help her after a panic phone call, but turns >out all I had to do was set the air suspension to "high" and I was able >to back right off it. Now she knows the "trick", but has only made >her bolder about her "short cuts" now! > >The battery is totally smooth longitudinally, so there is nothing to >hang up until you get near the rear suspension. The most likely >damage would be the aero covers that are in front and behind the pack >that cover the suspension area. These are cheap and easy to replace >if it were to come to that though. > >I can also state for sure; raising the suspension on a Tesla will eat >into the range. Not enough to really matter, but it is noticeable. >I think I would try the car as-is first, then if you find yourself >scraping, then go for the ride height increase. > >We install the Model 3 pack in our vans, and it does not lower the >clearance at all, though it does hang down lower in the middle than the >original, as with the original powerrtain is was mainly empty space >there. (The front subframe is lower than the pack) Because of the >durability of the pack, we are not worried about the occasional contact >with obstacles: > > >(Picture link: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?maxwell-epro-clearance ) > >On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:22 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> >wrote: >>Thanks, Phil, for your response. Mind if I question a bit further ? >> >>"going at high speed" - what speed do you consider that to be. I'll >>typically go about 20 on the bad parts, slowing down if I see >>something >>bad. On good parts, 30-40 depending on my confidence to see a stretch >>of >>potholes. Bad parts means the potholes are not possible to straddle >>and >>they might have hard edges (not slopey ramps). Or I might see a high >>center with pointy rocks poking out. >> >>bumper, front facia - this is rarely a problem since it is close to >>the >>wheels. The most likely strike point is in the mid section between the >>front and back wheels, which is the bottom of the battery box. If I >>strike the box, is it somewhat forgiving. That is, what will get >>crushed >>inside if a small dent is scraped in the box ? (I do have a shallow >>dent >>in the honda gas tank, but it's "forgiving." ) >> >>battery coolant lines - I read on a forum that the leading edge of the >>box is not protected and also has coolant lines attaching. Apparently, >>it is possible to strike the leading edge, crushing the corner and >>possible tearing lines. Do you think it would be possible to add a >>protective plate ? >> >>warranty - I don't think any manufacturer covers damage *caused* by >>going off paved roads. But my biggest concerns are getting stranded >>and >>then having to pay an enormous repair charge. That's why the homework >>now :) >> >>Peri >> >> >><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "(-Phil-)" <[email protected]> >>To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion >>List" <[email protected]> >>Sent: 28-Feb-21 7:18:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [EVDL] air dam >> >> >All the critical stuff underneath a Model Y is well protected. You'd >> >have to hit something sharp and hard going at high speed to take >> >damage. For 6 years on and off I've been working on salvage Teslas, >> >and personally owned over 20 different examples. Even when the car >> >goes off-road at high speed, and rips the wheel/suspension off one or >> >more corners, there rarely is critical damage to the battery or >> >motor(s). This includes all the processing in the auction lot, >>where >> >they move cars around with giant forklifts. Even those don't do >> >anything but scrape up the bottom and damage front/rear trim. >> > >> >The most sensitive part to damage is the front bumper cover/fascia. >>If >> >your obstacle makes it under that, then you are likely OK. >> > >> >A normal ICE vehicle is way more likely to take damage, as the bottom >> >isn't smooth, and there is lots of stuff hanging down, such as >>exhaust >> >systems, fuel tanks, etc. The bottom of any Tesla is almost >>perfectly >> >smooth. >> > >> >As long as you are going slow, the worst you are going to likely have >> >is cosmetic scrapes. (The bottom of the battery is all aluminum, so >>it >> >will not rust once you scrape the paint) >> > >> >If you can take a Honda with 6.5" of clearance on it, I'd say you can >> >take a Tesla. >> > >> >Of course, be warned that Tesla does not cover warranty issues caused >> >by going off-road. >> > >> > >> >On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:37 PM Peri Hartman via EV >><[email protected]> >> >wrote: >> >>Does anyone have advice on using an air dam to reduce drag ? Read >>on, >> >>I'll get there. >> >> >> >>I'm reconsidering buying a tesla Y. It's a crazy amount of money and >>I >> >>may get cold feet. But I have to replace my ancient honda or keep >> >>fixing >> >>it (which is costing average $2k / year). And, I want to replace it >> >>with >> >>something that is adequate for going on the cascade mountain forest >> >>service roads, as well as modest road trips. >> >> >> >>I could buy the Bolt, which seems to be an excellent car. But I >>don't >> >>think I can using it in the mountains. That's a must, since I'm >>there >> >>perhaps 20 times a year. >> >> >> >>My biggest concern with the tesla is damaging the battery or other >> >>critical underside stuff. On my honda, I've had numerous ground >> >>strikes >> >>but no serious damage. It has 6.5" clearance. I found a company that >> >>makes 1.5" suspension spacers that fit in the model 3 and the Y, >>which >> >>would give my 8". I think that's enough that I can visually judge >>and >> >>slow down, so as not to have a severe strike. (It's harder than you >> >>think, if the sun is casting tree shadows across the road - almost >> >>impossible to see any deviations.) >> >> >> >>If I raise the chassis, I'll get more drag. Thus, the question of >> >>installing some kind of skirt. Does anyone have advice on this ? >>Would >> >>it make a difference ? >> >> >> >>(P.S. I'll keep the honda odyssey regardless but drive it only for >> >>hauling large stuff. 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