Yes, and if you wait too long it won’t turn back on until you stop the car and put it in park.
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 3:09 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Does autopilot give any sort of warning when it drops out ? It seems that it should do something that grabs you attention instantly, e.g. vibrate the steering wheel or even a mild shock. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "mark hanson via EV" <[email protected]> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <[email protected]> Cc: "mark hanson" <[email protected]> Sent: 05-Feb-22 09:48:01 Subject: [EVDL] Self Driving Mode, was Tesla's Sneaky Rolling Stops >Thanks Bill. > > > >Folks, We could argue the details back & forth but fundamentally a computer >dropping out during a critical life function is a *fatal flaw* in >engineering. Sure the folks that ran into trees during self driving should >have been more attentive, but when you pay $10K extra for a "feature" and >start getting used to it, driving daily to work for a year (on a curvy road) >and nothing happens, start getting less vigilant - then one bright sunny >Tuesday morning, surprise! Into a tree. > > > >I use the self driving mode on *straight* highways "auto pilot" (when you >don't pay the extra $10K) - it's nice, takes the fatigue out of long trips >*but* I've had the computer drop out several times going to Florida and up >to Pennsylvania and thought nothing of it, just bop twice the right stick on >the column and it starts back again. I almost bought the extra $10K full >self driving package for my handicapped wife *but* after my friends >accidents and seeing it drop out on me, I realized it was a *bad* idea. > > > >Best Regards, > >Mark > > > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 12:51:48 +1300 > >From: Bill Dube <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla?s Sneaky Rolling Stops > >Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > >Michael - > > > >??? How, exactly, would Mark be able to provide "factual data" on this >incident?? If you think about it, how would _anyone_ be able to, since the >device that could record the incident data was off-line at the time it >happened and this was the root cause of the incident? Mark speculated that >it was quite possible that other similar "glitches" have caused other >similar unrecorded incidents. > > > >??? I have known Mark for more than 20 years and have found him utterly >truthful and reliable. If he says it happened, I completely believe it >happened. > > > >??? Also, I can envision how this could easily happen and how it would >completely escape the notice of Tesla. On commercial airplanes, they have >two (2) separate flight computers, using two different brand CPUs, using two >completely "firewalled" separate teams of code developers for their flight >computers. The two systems continuously monitor each other for faults and >warn the pilots when they see any divergence in flight control between the >computers. There are two _other_ separate systems recording flight data as >well. They do this because peoples lives depend on these systems working >perfectly and continuously. There is no similar multiple redundancy in >Tesla. _YOU_ are the redundancy that they are depending on to take over if >there is a computer glitch. > > > >??? "The world is an imperfect place. Screws fall out." (Quote from "The >Breakfast Club.") > > > >??? Bill D. > > > >On 2/5/2022 11:08 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > >> Mark, Can you show me where this anecdotal information might be > >> gathered as factual data? I have become very wary of information that > >> is not attributed to some source that I can trust. No offence intended. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:38 PM Mark Hanson via EV <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> > >>> Tesla should just drop the whole self driving thing and just focus on > >>> a great electric car. My Tesla Y was the only EV I could find with > >>> towing capacity for my H20 ski boat and an excellent nationwide charging >network. > >>> The problem with self driving is when the computer gets a glitch, it > >>> drops out and the vehicle goes straight, usually into a tree on a > >>> curvy road (happened to my friend last year and previous year to his > >>> wife in a Tesla3). Of course when the computer drops out it doesn?t > >>> record the crash as a self driving error. How convenient for Tesla. > >>> The actual crash rate is much higher than recorded. > >>> Best regards > >>> Mark > > > > > >Have a renewable energy day, > > > >Mark > > > >Mark E. 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