On 19 Mar 2023 at 14:43, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > only a honda dealer was allowed to have the software to reprogram it. > The dealer charged $300 for a tidbit of work.
Exactly! Right to Repair is a major concern for every vehicle owner. John Deere farm equipment is the "poster child" for RTR, but it's a serious problem across nearly all (perhaps ALL) vehicles, electric and thermal, and not just Teslas. Other privacy matters arise, too. Remember the infamous 2013 New York Times review of the Tesla S, in which the author deliberately drove round in circles to run the battery flat? Most EV supporters cheered when Elon Musk called them out by using the car's own data, but the existence of that level of spyware in the car shook me up. I've since read of someone convicted of murder in the UK because his car's manufacturer's data showed that he'd parked near where the body was found and opened the back of the car. So it's clear that Tesla is far from alone in this. And can you say "On Star"? In the first ~7 years of selling the Zoe EV, with the exception of Norway sales, Renault didn't sell the battery with the car. They leased it. That probably helped sales enormously by removing buyers' fear of an expensive battery exchange, and by appreciably reducing the sales price of the car. But they infamously shut down charging ability on a few early Zoes for which the owners defaulted on the battery lease payments. That was pretty unsettling too. (After the resulting negative PR, they said that they'd no longer do that, and they no longer lease the batteries anyway, but AFAIK they never actually disabled their ability to do so. For all I know, they may have a big red button somewhere that can shut off our 2020 Zoe's charging - and we own the battery.) Of course some people think that all this is just fine. "I have nothing to hide," or "They called help for me when I had a wreck." or "They notified me that the battery needed service." But to me, the whole situation with vehicle control and privacy is quite dystopian. It's not just vehicles, either. It's all kinds of consumer goods. IMO, if you buy *anything* and the vendor or the manufacturer can control how you use it and/or who can repair it, you don't really own what you've bought. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = With inflation at 7.5 percent, you lose half your money in 9 years. The only way to outperform that consistently is crypto. Why, just this year I've already lost half my money. -- Anonymous = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
