I started doing this on Teslas in 2015, and back then it was more problematic and a grey area for DMCA. In 2018 they passed this wonderful exemption for car hacking: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/10/26/2018-23241/exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection-systems-for-access-control
So after that I was able to help a lot more people without fear of reprisal. This was back when Tesla took a much more Apple-like stance and would not even sell you parts for any car on their "blacklist". This included salvage and "grey market" cars (cars removed from the area in which they were originally sold in). Back then, there was huge demand for Teslas all over the world, so I assisted a lot of people in Europe, Asia, and other places. I've helped people all over the world fix over 3000 Teslas. I created my own back-end the cars could connect to instead of Tesla to get access to all the wonderful diagnostic data the cars collect, and make that accessible to their owners. In 2016 I had a good talk with Tesla's then President of global sales and policy and warned him that Tesla's policies were going to make the cars uninsurable. That got his attention! I explained how their policies were making repairs harder, and devaluing cars once they entered the salvage market. He promised he would try to fix all this, and I think he did at least put Tesla on a track to do some of it. IIRC, He left Tesla in 2018 to go work for Lyft. If you are a car company and do anything to devalue a salvage car, that means when an insurance company deems a car totaled, they are not going to get as much money in the salvage market, thus the total cost to replace the customer's car is much higher. It's easy to see what happens from there. Tesla did not fix this in time, and the cars indeed did even get dropped by some insurance companies. Back then you could buy them at auction for pennies on the dollar, because nobody knew how to fix them (no service info), and no parts (Tesla blacklist). Tesla's solution was to start their own insurance division. It helped, but didn't fully solve it. The repercussions are still being felt today, as Tesla's service division is horribly managed and collision parts can sometimes be many months out, so insurance companies are more likely to total an easily fixed car because they aren't going to fork out 3 months of rental car payments for their annoyed customer. If Tesla would have really taken my advice back then 8 years ago, they would be a much better company. But Elon is a dick. I still believe Tesla engineering is world-class, and makes awesome cars despite him. Elon, if you are listening, give me a call, I'll tell you how to fix it. I was hired in 2018 by Ateiva (Now called Lucid) as a security consultant. They wanted advice on how to secure their cars from people like me. Among other things, I told Peter Rawlins that the best way to secure their cars was to open them up. If people can get EASY access to service and diagnostic info, and quell curiosity, they are much less likely to engage in determined hacking to break in. I got the feeling they didn't take my advice too seriously. It's IMPOSSIBLE to secure something where the attacker has unlimited physical access, all you can do is slow them down and piss them off! (I did give them other advice too) -Phil On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 3:30 AM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 20 Jun 2024 at 18:51, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > > I have the ability to turn [high power charging back on ... I then > > "jailbreak" the system so I can block any future config changes without > > my permission, so they are unable to turn it off in the future. I also > > block any outbound logging ... > > Thanks to software copyrights and the DMCA, when you buy a Tesla - and > many > other vehicles and products - you're paying for nothing more than the > right > to use the vehicle or product in the way the manufacturer allows, for as > long as the manufacturer lets you. > > You may hold the title, but you don't really own the car. > > And here's Phil, granting you full control over your own property. > > I'm honestly and pleasantly surprised that Tesla's suits aren't sending > out > C&D letters and DMCA notices. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240621/e646c002/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
