No apologies necessary, Howard.  As a statistician, I stumbled upon your site 
looking for online data points, and as a Plone implementer I felt your pain.  
When our Python guru left, we wandered around in the wilderness for quite a few 
months but eventually found a balance.  It can be very lonely trying to keep a 
Plone instance healthy.

Oddly enough, it was an exploit of a cross-site scripting vulnerability that 
forced us through a painful and hurried upgrade from 2.1 to 2.5, but once on 
the other side, things have gone much more smoothly.  Alas, one of our portals 
didn't survive the migration and failed.  The other 30 or so have done well.  
We have funding budgeted for the move to 3.x this year under less pressure.  
<whew>  I'm sure our single sys admin breaks out in a cold sweat every time I 
remind him that when 3.2 is stable, we'll need to migrate our 2.5 production 

My initial reaction was to see if there was help out there in the Plone 
community for your specific problems.  Secondarily was the desire to see the 
Plone support structure continue to improve itself.

UNM's Earth Data Analysis Center here in Albuquerque drifted away from Plone as 
they required ever more highly customized Python applications.  By chance, a 
State Dept.-funded project ( that had a critical need for 
English-Arabic dual language capabilities pushed Plone back into the mix.  Even 
so, a CMS like Plone may not fit the typical use-case for GIS developers.  I'll 
be interesting to see where this all leads in the GIS-Plone world.

I hope Kim, Chris, and others continue to interact with you and provide useful 
technical assistance.  Perhaps your Plone site will survive into 3.1 and 
beyond.  One good thing about all this is that the Plone community is looking 
inside itself to see how it can better structure its support and organize its 
documentation for admins such as yourself.  I was very pleased with the timely 
response that my intial posting raised on the Plone boards.



From: Howard Butler (via Nabble) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:44 PM
To: Horak, Karl
Subject: Re: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone

On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:

> On 11/2/2008 11:40 PM, T. Kim Nguyen wrote:
>> Here, with his permission, is the start of an email exchange with
>> Howard Butler at umn...
> I count myself a member of the MapServer community (there are
> *several* Plone integrators in the MapServer community) and there
> are some things you should know about this.
> One is:

I have edited the RFC to no longer denigrate Plone.  My frustrations
were misplaced, and I'm sorry for taking it out on the Plone project.


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