El mié, 20-04-2011 a las 09:54 +0100, Matt Hamilton escribió: > On 20 Apr 2011, at 08:24, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 20.04.11 09:19, Maurizio Delmonte wrote: > > ears > >> > >> Also, I register a very low pull on pylons + pyramid (just 127 of > > 158), so, > >> what kind of people has voted this set of sessions? > > > > Hard to say, but I saw some tweets and facebook entries with "please > > vote for my talk" though not for the Plone talk. > > > > If there is no interest in Plone in the Python Community, then there is > > also not much interest in the Europython in the Plone Community. Maybe > > the drawback of having its own conference? > > This is an interesting thought. I personally have submitted talks to > Europython the past few years, and either myself or colleagues have done > Plone talks there. This year I'm going to Plone Conf in San Francisco, Plone > Open Gardens in Sorrento, and the Plone Symposium East in the US. I didn't > even have time to *think* about Europython... to be honest it was only two or > three weeks ago I found out where it was even being held. > > Historically Plone has had poor reception at Europython. I think this is > mainly because it is not the 'cool new thing'. I mean, it is a bit boring > really... we have been around a while, we have solved all the hard problems, > we have a great community and we did NoSQL 10 years ago. The Plone community > just get on and do things. An interesting example is that two years ago there > were *loads* of talks about Django on the agenda. The following year, just > one. I guess it was the new big thing then I guess people realised it wasn't > that exciting, or that it didn't solve the problems they wanted to and was > over-hyped. This year there are a few, but pretty much all are of something > called GeoDjango, which I guess is to do with GIS. > > Remember we used to have a *whole track* dedicated to Zope at Europython in > the old days, then it became a 'web frameworks' track and then it disappeared > completely. > > I think if we want to get some more exposure at Europython then maybe we need > to be extolling the virtues of some of the technology we have that is not > just Plone specific, e.g. Diazo, Transmogrifier, buildout, etc. > > *If* I go to Europython this year, and hoping to do the Lightning talk that I > didn't get to do last year, which was 'From python to Plone in 3 minutes' in > which I will do a live demo of going from a plain python 2.6 install to Plone > 4 up and running in 3 minutes. Just to show how easy it is to get into Plone. > I still think a lot of people are wary of Zope/Plone as it still has a bad > reputation from before when it was a big monolithic thing you had to swallow > whole. I'm hoping that Pyramid goes some way to helping alleviate these fears > as it is taking a lot of the technology we know and trust and putting it in > front of a new audience. > > -Matt >
Indeed, great mail Matt. I've a similar feeling on other free software conventions and sometimes i think that, as a floss project evolves and matures it has to move from python/floss conventions to business one or those oriented to simply mortals and not for geek. Just a quick thought. Kind Regards Roberto Allende -- http://robertoallende.com _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [email protected] https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
