Hi Charles Sorry, I am not responsible for these statements. I was only quoting Bruno Marchal's post or 09/19. However, I agree with Bruno very much. It seems that as in mathematics, any (religious) belief anchored by a rigid credo (set of axioms) is bound to be either incomplete or inconsistent. The fanatic insists that his position is both complete and consistent. The agnostic accepts the incompleteness of his belief. In fact the agnostic accepts that his current belief is only temporary and may evolve depending on new information.
Charles Goodwin wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >I just say this because I consider real atheist as very religious > > >people, and, what is worth is that most of the time they want us to > > >believe they have no religion. > > >Only the agnostic can be said not having still made its > > religion (yet). > > > > >The problem arises because the modalities []-x and -[]x are confused > > >in most natural language. I am fascinated by antiterrorism methods that expose the inconsistency of terrorists. The problem is that that no matter what rational argument you could come up with, they will find a way to "rationalize" their position. It may be that the root of the problem is emotional and no amount of rational argument will work. It's like being faced with a tiger and trying to explain to the tiger that eating you will generate inconsistency in his set of belief. Unfortunately, it may be that the only way to show the inconsistency of their terrorist to the terrorists is by means of the ultimate argument: force. While battling terrorism by using consistency methods may not be applicable directly to the terrorists themselves, they may help win the heart and mind of those who are sitting on the fence. > > Richard Dawkins strikes me as a "militant" or indeed a "religious" atheist, for >example. > I don't know enough about Richard Dawkins personal beliefs except for his generalization of the principle of evolution. Brought to its ultimate generalization I believe that this principle can bring the physical world, life and consciousness out of the plenitude. Creation is converted from creatio ex-nihilo to creatio ex-toto. In other words God did not have to do anything. Creatio ex-toto just happened. In my opinion, this does not diminish God in any way. Au contraire! He created the world by doing nothing! Talk about power and magic! Even if we show creatio ex-toto, the question of God doesn't go away. It only makes God greater. The question of God is just moved to a meta level. In summary, I think that someone can believe in evolution, can believe that God did "nothing" and yet be intensely mystical and believe in a higher God. George
