Joel  wrote:
>
> This may be true, but has anyone here (or anywhere else) ever
> checked to see that we can't program the universe exactly with
> simple algorithms?
>
> I think this is something new.  (Check out what Stephen Wolfram has
> been doing lately: http://www.wolframscience.com)
>
> Everyone's talking about "quantum consciousness" and other nebulous
> words, but it seems no one has tried to build the universe from the
> ground up - on absolute principles and no uncertainties.
>
> Now, I know I'm not asking everyone to give up their most cherished
> beliefs and all their hard work forever.  I'm just asking for
> SOMEONE to stop and take a look with me to see if we haven't missed
> something really simple - something so obviousthat everyone just
> dismissed it without asking, "Why not?"
>
> Maybe it's not as hard as we think.
> Maybe we CAN obtain some real, final answers.
> It's just crazy enough to work!
>
> Joel

Interestingly 't Hooft (one of the Nobel-Prize winners of 1999) has
formulated deterministic models that reduce to quantum mechanics when
described statistically. See e.g. this article:

``How Does God Play Dice? (Pre-)Determinism at the Planck Scale´´:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0104219


Saibal





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