I think I understand your concern. As to how to form a complete theory, I find that kind of thinking outside my form of expression. Finding an all encompassing theory for consciousness I believe will be impossible.
I think all we can do is frame the understanding in terms of what we are trying to achieve with it. In my thinking style, I find myself strugling to turn intuitive thoughts and feelings into words. It's a bit easier if I say: I want to design an AI to achieve *this* kind of robotic cooperation. Trying to develop a *complete* theory is something I've never been able to do. It seems to require forming specifics for things lost in the translation to specifics. For me, understanding of AI and consciousness is the kind of thing one interprets, knowing it's only a limited expression. Robert W. --- Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 05-Mar-01, rwas rwas wrote: > > >> I think you missed it. I interpret what he's > saying > >> to > >> mean that I-ness is an illusion. It implies to me > >> that > >> one's perception of time, integral to I-ness is > an > >> illusion. So one moves around an expression space > >> depending on viewpoint. > > It may be an 'illusion', but it still requires an > explanation if the > theory is to be anything more than hand waving. Not > only does the > illusion of personal continuity, but also the > 'illusion' of space-time > and an external (non-mental) world obeying a fairly > specific physics. > > I can well accept that at some 'fundamental' level > the ontology is just > thoughts, observer moments, or windowless monads. > In fact that seems > like a good place to start. That's fine, but when I > ask how this > explains the things we're interested in - > perception, physics, > space-time, mathematics - all I hear is, "It's just > a web of observer > moments." which explains nothing because it is > consistent with > anything. > > Brent Meeker > > >> > >> The perception of being continuous in time is > >> illusory > >> in my view. We are already all things we can be, > >> except in consciousness. Those bound to temporal > >> thinking lack the consciousness to transcend it. > >> > >> > >> > >> Robert W. > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > Regards > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/