--- rwas rwas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > versions of many-worlds theories, one might > > consider a different approach. > > > > By deleting certain sectors of one's memory > one > > should be able to travel > > to different branches of the multiverse. > Suppose > > you are diagnosed with > > a rare disease. You don't have complaints yet, > > but you will die > > within a year. If you could delete the > > information that you have this > > particular disease (and also the information > > that information has > > been deleted), branches in which you don't > have > > the disease > > merge with the branches in which you do have > the > > disease. So with > > very high probability you have traveled to a > > different branch. > > I don't know whether to be relieved or annoyed > > that I'm not the only person to think of this ;D. > > > As a student of mysticism, I meditate often and > explore mind, consciousness, and feeling. Your > experiment points to the process of "quieting the > ego". The framework for "I-ness" that gives meaning > to > our existence here. At some point one experiences a > complete loss of "I" and any constraint of > consciousness formed by life here. One appears to > move > through something from here to somewhere else. The > strange part is when you are conscious in both > places. > For the purpose of this convo I'll say alternate > universes. I had read in mystic writings that time > and > space are an illusion. It seems physicists (masters > of > intellect) are coming to the same conclusion 10,000 > years after the masters of the soul and mind had. > > I offer this comparison not as proof, but mainly to > demonstrate the irony I perceive. I grew up with a > strong perpensity for intellect and mind. I was > attracted to mysticism for some strange reason but > found conflict between my understanding of the > physical and myself from an intellect's point of > view. > Melding the two worlds of understanding was and > still > is difficult. > > I also have a strong interest in AI and have > developed > my own theories of synthetic consciousness. > Interestingly enough, they seem to point to what > I've > found through meditation, if not exactly > representative of the process. > > One particular experience involved waking up from > sleep after meditating about 3 hours prior. I was > aware in a place with no time or dimension. I got up > to relieve myself and found myself slipping between > two realities. The sensation was that of traveling > between two points, but not travel like one expects. > It seemed reality was being folded depending on > where > I went. One or the other by itself was'nt too > impressive, but when combined (both points joined) > the > result was unsettling. The awareness of > non-dimension > while trying to stand upright is an odd experience. > I > had no trouble standing up but "up" had no meaning. > It > was necessary to keep from falling down but I was > not > consciously bound to dimension or time. > > Again, I provide this as an illustration of things > that have been discussed in this list found and > verified (at least to me) in alternate methods. One > important point to emphasize is that in these > realms, > dimension is useless. This means the classical > physics > falls down. Without a way to measure something or > compare something, one trained in thinking where > observables are constrained to things measurable > would > be lost. Emphasis on characteristics and > relationships > between characteristics in a completely abstract way > are the only way to grasp what is observed. > > For me, an afterlife is a certainty. I have no > doubts > that physical science will bridge the gap between > *here and there*. The biggest issue I see with the > theories I see is that they seem to demand that > alternate places behave and act like the physical > here. In this place, we are confined to act and > perceive with the five senses. We "do" with our > physical body as go-between, between consciousness > and > the physical. It seems most people proposing > theories > have no experience effecting outcomes with anything > but their physical bodies, so it's not too > surprising > that they constrain their alternate (theories of) realities to the > same limitations found here. > > I'll provide a mystically influenced frame work to > consider... > > The physical (the apparent in mystic terms) is a > place > where *things* persist. This is unique to this > place. > Trying to take something that persists (ie., > spacecraft, diagnostic vehicle, etc) else where, > would > result in the persistent object succoming to > in-persistent laws. It would dissolve. > > The discussions here seem to revolve around > consciousness, the laws which it is found in, and > methods to delineate consciousness. From my > perspective, consciousness is the *only* vehicle in > which to transcend the realm of persistence. > > Again to restate the irony I perceive, the > experiment > mentioned involving altering memory, is in effect, > what mystics do to transcend the physical. They > actually train themselves to ignore the memory that > binds them to this place, making them free to see > what > their consciousness perceives constantly, but could > not grasp or pick out from the noise. Another > example > of this is sensory deprivation. > > Unfortunately, it's impossible to demonstrate such > experiences in physically measurable ways. Until > folks > develop the ability to move things with their minds, > or > somehow effect the physical with their new found > understanding derived through higher consciousness, > it > will remain a curiosity and recreation of the mind. > > Robert W. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >
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