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Dear At et al., "Consideration" is a dual-process, not 'either-or'. When mapped vis a vis "holism" that is requisitely true. The consideration of a 'particular' occurs because such 'particular' -is a representative member- of the extended, unvoiced, unspecified set(s) it is resident and member of, and - and even as -, the cognitive focus/consideration -process- seemingingly truncates out and disregards that which is not present and or not obvious. Think of it in regard to the field-ground graphic images used in exploring cognitive psychology. Do you see the old woman or the young one? Do you see the cup or the two faces? Do you see the individual torso-figures or do you see the single face? The whole is implicitly present in -all- those, and any, cases under all conditions. Simply because one cannot avoid collapsing waves functions when -participating- interactively with existence -- doesn't mean that relationships between 'uncollapsed wave functions' are both/either 'unaccessable' OR 'un-considerable' ; that such relations are 'non-existent'. Not only -must- such relationships exist, but because the -whole- of existence .. -to be- pandemically, exhaustively, "whole" .. must have universal consistencies and coherencies (which are 'communcation properties') that infuse all events and processes and occurences .. invariantly and without exclusion. The structure and nature of 'existence' .. persistence maintainable/maintained during communing relations .. requires the above conditions and properties. And it is _those_ conditions~properties that all that we discuss and consider are representatives of. It is the state of existence within which General Systems ideations voices its eminence. The holo-relations I've written out above comprise the existential proposition I have been making for decades nows, enunciating it as a post-Godel paradigm. Even in the face of a global community of thinkers which identifies Godel via his Incompleteness Theorems as the pinnacle of logic. The flaw in Godel's logic rests in his trying to account for information accessiblity that is limited -after- interaction/wavecollapse/truncation. When, in point of fact, such i/wc/t cannot even occur if there is an absence of properties through which information pandemically -is accessible- with -all- of its Potentia. Which means, that the properties of the whole _supercedes_ any limitiations occurring as a result of i/wc/t. Which properties -must existentially continue and be concurrent with- all events, states and conditions -after- any such i/wc/t. The properties of 'the whole' are imminent and inferrable and discernable even in limited sets. My Integrity Paradigm has consistently maintained this extensiveness, as I've presented varieties of notions to you all over the years. One issue has been and still is, very clear: in order to achieve a unitary science~logic~wisdom~sensibility about the universe it will be necessary to step beyond Godel's Incompleteness Theorems. His ideas are -not incorrect-. They are -self incomplete-. They are still synchrontic with the universe (by default of the propositions I explicated above), but they are pre-limiting and deficient to handle the properties which are now obvious and require -inclusion- in a universal schemata of being. To restate it as I've presented it here and elsewhere before: "We -know something- {about the qualities and operant properties} of realms of existence which we have never -explicitly experienced or made part of our 'known/established information' set- and which Godel('s logic) would demand of us that we exclude and abstain from making -any statements- about." We 'know something' that Godel would claim that we could not know and demand we not conversantly include. We have real access to information that his Zeno-ic logic would restrict us from even acknowledging~recognizing. Godelian proponents and practioners must re-think their positions. If not entirely abandon the Incompleteness Theorems as a quaint artifact of logic, explored on the way to a Univera. Jamie Rose Ceptual Institute December 29, 2002