This is one of those truly cracked ideas that is not wise to air in polite company. Nevertheless, it can be fun to play around with in this forum. I had a similarly cracked idea a few years ago about 1st person experienced magic, which we batted around a bit at the tiome without getting anywhere.

The trouble I have with this idea is that I can't see the connection between OM measure and the sensation of passage of time. In contrast to your statement of "nothing" however, a lower measure OM will appear more complex - so we experience growth in knowledge as our measure decreases. Increasing measure OM's will correspond to memory "erasure", in the sense of quantum erasure. Cheers On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 10:44:49PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > I have asked the question before, what do I experience if my measure > in the multiverse increases or decreases? My preferred answer, contra > the ASSA/ QTI skeptics, is "nothing". However, the interesting observation > that our perception of time changes with age, so that an hour seems > subjectively much longer for a young child than for an older person, would > seem to correlate with decreasing measure as a person grows older. One > explanation for this could be that if there are more copies of us around > in the multiverse, we have more subjective experience per unit time. This > would mean that if we lived forever, the years then the centuries and > millenia > would fly past at a subjectively faster and faster rate as we age and our > measure continuously drops. > > I actually believe that a psychological explanation for this phenomenon is > more > likely correct (an hour is a greater proportion of your life if you are a > young child) > but it's an interesting idea. > > Stathis Papaioannou > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 02:10:53 +1000 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees > > > > > > Someone called me to task for this posting (I forget who, and I've > > lost the posting now). I tried to formulate the notion I expressed > > here more precisely, and failed! So I never responded. > > > > What I had in mind was that future observer moment of my current one > > will at some point have a total measure diminishing at least as fast > > as an exponental function of OM age. This is simply a statement that > > it becomes increasingly improbable for humans to live longer than a > > certain age. > > > > Whilst individual OMs will have exponentially decreasing measure due > > to the linear increase in complexity as a function of universe age, > > total OM measure requires summing over all OMs of a given age (which > > can compensate). This total OM measure is a 3rd person type of > > quantity - equivalent to asking what is the probability of a conscious > > organism existing at universe age t. It seems plausible that this > > might diminish in some exponential or faster fashion after a few > > standard deviation beyond the mean time it takes to evolve > > consciousness, but I do not have any basis for making this claim. If > > we assume a normal distribution of times required for evolving > > consciousness, then the statement is true for example, but I'm wise > > enough to know that this assumption needs further justification. The > > distribution may be a meanless thing like a power law for example. > > > > So sorry if I piqued someones interest too much - but then we can leave > > this notion as a conjecture :) > > > > Cheers > > > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 12:07:37AM +1000, Russell Standish wrote: > > > Thanks for giving a digested explanation of the argument. This paper > > > was discussed briefly on A-Void a few weeks ago, but I must admit to > > > not following the argument too well, nor RTFA. > > > > > > My comment on the observer moment issue, is that in a Multiverse, the > > > measure of older observer moments is less that younger ones. After a > > > certain point in time, the measure probably decreases exponentially or > > > faster, so there will be a mean observer moment age. > > > > > > So contra all these old OMs dominating the calculation, and giving > > > rise to an expected value of Lambda close to zero, we should expect > > > only a finite contribution, leading to an expected finite value of > > > Lambda. > > > > > > We don't know what the mean age for an observer moment should be, but > > > presumably one could argue anthropically that is around 10^{10} > > > years. What does this give for an expected value of Lambda? > > > > > > Of course their argument does sound plausible for a single universe - > > > is this observational evidence in favour of a Multiverse? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which > > is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a > > virus. 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