Le 09-août-06, à 01:49, Colin Hales a écrit :
> > Why is everyone talking about abstract computation? Of _course_ 1st > person > is prime = Has primacy in description of the universe. Being a portion > of > any structure (ME) trying to model the structure (the UNIVERSE) from > within > it (ME as scientist inside/part of the universe) is intrinsically and > innately presented with that which is _not_ the structure of ME (NOT > ME). > This applies at all scales (eg ME = an atom, ME = a galaxy). > > An _abstract_ computation/model X implemented symbolically on a of a > portion > of the structure (a COMPUTER) inside the structure (the UNIVERSE) will > see > the universe as "NOT COMPUTER", not some function of the machinations > of X, > the model. Eg The first person perspective of a register in a computer > holding a quantity N must be that of being a register in a computer, > not > that of 'being' a quantity N. > > The only computation going on around us is literally the universe. WE > are > computations within it. We can only ever acquire data about it from the > perspective of being in it. > > Maybe you're not talking about the same universe as me. We're trying > to get > to grips with our universe, yes? I don't get it. Then again I seem not > to > get a lot. :-) > > Colin hales Of course I have a problem with the word "universe" and especially with the expression "being inside a universe". The reason is that I think comp forces us to accept we are supported by an infinity of computations and that the 1-(plural and singular) appearance of the universe emerges from that. cf UDA. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
